China to ban effeminate men from TV

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Since no one on the left seems to care about China's horrible human rights record, maybe this will get them fired up.

 

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Since no one on the left seems to care about China's horrible human rights record, maybe this will get them fired up.

Yeah, the same Republicans who are refusing to Afghan refugees, stood by and supported putting children in cages while separating them from their families telling the "left" that they don't care about human rights is pretty laughable, but points for the balls to post something so blatantly hypocritical with a straight face.
 

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Since no one on the left seems to care about China's horrible human rights record, maybe this will get them fired up.

Trolling.
 

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Yeah, I don't really understand the perception that the left defends China but this is definitely not the first time I've heard that. Is it because Trump was tough on China and the left didn't like Trump so that means the left loves China? Pretty sure I've always been critical of China, especially their treatment of the Uyghurs.
 

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Isn’t it obvious? China’s the one handling Xiden! Why else would the patriots running the much needed audit check for bamboo on the ballots?

You need to be tough on China! Like even the socialist frozen hellscape paradise Sweden is.


On a more serious note: The EU and its member countries are constantly pissing off China, both officially and unofficially. My impression from over here is that basically nobody on your side of the pond likes China, yet it is somehow a right-wing talking point.
 

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Isn’t it obvious? China’s the one handling Xiden! Why else would the patriots running the much needed audit check for bamboo on the ballots?

You need to be tough on China! Like even the socialist frozen hellscape paradise Sweden is.


On a more serious note: The EU and its member countries are constantly pissing off China, both officially and unofficially. My impression from over here is that basically nobody on your side of the pond likes China, yet it is somehow a right-wing talking point.
Trump’s anti-China rhetoric was never about the country itself. It was pure racism, which his followers know. The amount of anti-asian violence in America soared during the Trump presidency. He actually likes Xi. Trump is a fan of any strongman leader since he wanted the same status when he was President.

 

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I think that there are two - actually, three - different and distinct issues here, and they are being conflated wrongly.

One is China, and how it projects and presents itself, a matter of concern to others only on account of its growing (socio-economic-military) power and lack of inhibition - in recent times - in displaying, projecting, and openly using that power.

The second is the supposed unwillingness of "the left" to find fault with China, which is a straw man argument, but, unfortunately, one which finds traction in the US, out of political or historical illiteracy.

As @Pumbaa has already rightly observed, this is not the case in Europe, where China's deplorable record on human rights has long been attacked by many European governments, including the EU.

The third is the extraordinary issue of "effeminacy", how it is defined, why it is perceived as a threat (to image, identity, sense of self, masculinity), and why this is an issue now (as opposed to earlier).

I think there are two elements to this:

One is the predictable cliché common to a great many totalitarian states, (and lamentably, occasionally, democracies, too), whereby the values that are ascribed to "masculinity" are elevated as ideal, sometimes to ludicrous and ridiculous lengths, while those (males) purporting to "lead", (or who wish to lead), need to be seen to represent them, express them, master them, in their everyday lives: This is the "strong man" stuff, which, at its worst, seems to trip into the territory of parody, as some of these leaders insist on stressing (and protesting) their masculinity in a way that is completely normal and natural in a teenaged boy who is busy and absorbed in discovering himself, and finding out who he is, but downright peculiar (in a "he doth protest too much" sense) in a mature, powerful, (middle-aged) adult male.

And here, I need only refer to (the soft-focus shots of) Vladimir Putin riding bare-chested through the tundra, or the macho nonsense indulged in by Alexander Lukashenko in Belarus (energetic contests with hockey sticks, - one bizarre competition went by the name of "The Golden Puc"), vigorous skiing expeditions (I seem to recall that Prince Charles's equerry died on one such trip, when accidentally buried in snow, while Spain's King Juan Carlos, when he still reigned, managed to break a leg on a trip to the ski slopes); there are countless other examples.

The second is that - I suspect - that this attack on what the Chinese state is attempting to present as "effeminacy" is - paradoxically - both a sign of greater Chinese self confidence (the last time the Chinese state attempted to essay and implement a deranged insight into how popular Chinese culture could and should be expressed - during the Cultural Revolution - the consequences were catastrophic), and secondly, as a sign of this uncomfortable and poorly expressed (but growing) confidence, - a confidence that is evident by the very fact that the Chinese state now considers itself an authority on defining what is culturally acceptable or desirable - and also a curiously crude attempt to reject the trope, or unchallenged stereotype, of Asian males as "effeminate", by presenting - and commanding the appearance of on state TV - of a poorly conceived (state sponsored) alternative.

However, it is telling that this is something that the Chinese state appears to find threatening and unsettling, sufficiently unsettling to want to try to change - by interfering in "cultural norms", left largely untouched since the debacle of the Cultural Revolution - by state decree or diktat.
 
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Since no one on the left seems to care about China's horrible human rights record, maybe this will get them fired up.

Dude? Just…dude?
 

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I like buying products from China. As for liking the country? I lived in Taiwan for two years - that’s enough to make me hate mainland China.

I do it, but don't like doing it. But sometimes there is no choice.
 
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Since no one on the left seems to care about China's horrible human rights record, maybe this will get them fired up.

This is why I refuse to put any cognitive effort into your posts:

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This is why I refuse to put any cognitive effort into your posts:
Funny thing is, most of you missed the whole point. it was not about the left and China, but China banning effeminate men.

I think it was a couple of years ago, maybe less, there was a thread on Toxic Masculinity on PRSI. Everyone was against it, well most everyone. Even talked about Gillette's commercial about it (I have not bought a Gillette razor since, Schick's are doing quite well.)

But here is an entire country that is basically saying we want toxic masculinity and here the focus is a little blurb about the left and China.

My point is China gets away with stuff that people in the US would lose their shit about and no one cares.
 
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My point is China gets away with stuff that people in the US would lose their shit about and no one cares.
Dude, you're full of shit, LOL. Literally the sole sentence in your OP was about criticizing the left for something you either made up or simply are lying about:D The transactional value in your statement is shifting blame to others away from your own. We all understand this, just so you know.
 
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