Democrats need to acknowledge and condemn antifa

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What violence has Antifa committed? Isn’t it mostly a peaceful protest movement? Don’t they condemn the violent elements among their own ranks? These are not rhetorical questions.

The few times Antifa has actually popped up on the scene, they've mostly been about swinging bike locks on chains at klan and neo-nazi heads, so no, they're not exactly a peaceful bunch.

That said, I'm not 100% certain they're actually an organized movement, or even if they're still around anymore. The impression I got of them from back in the day was that they were mostly a bunch of college kids getting up to some crazy antics on the spur of the moment. Now? I think they're primarily ghost stories spread about on talk radio to scare their listeners.

...they're everywhere, and...nowhere. George Soros' secret democrat army of leftist socialist nazi communist sympathizers out to take away YOUR FREEDOMS!
 

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Ah man, a bunch of lefties who still think arguing specific incidents and using comparison charts matters to the right.

Then I guess enjoy listening to the right blaming Antifa for years for everything from dented bumpers to droughts because nobody on the left is going to segregate Antifa from the rest of the left. I just hope there isn’t a cause that’s important to you that Antifa becomes the focus of that and completely destroys all original meaning of that cause.
Biden condemned Antifa. The right hasn’t stopped acting as if he is a member.
 

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Should the left have disavowed the gay rights movement because the right used it against them for decades?
Sorry but NO. Condemn violence and looting. But to condemn a group that is literally anti-fascist is ludicrous. Can’t get on board with that. No way, no how.

Antifa isn’t an equal rights movement.

If you want to make a better comparison, do you feel the Black Panthers helped expedite black rights gains or possibly slowed the process because it gave racists an easy target to paint black people as militant and dangerous?
 

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Ah man, a bunch of lefties who still think arguing specific incidents and using comparison charts matters to the right.

Then I guess enjoy listening to the right blaming Antifa for years for everything from dented bumpers to droughts
because nobody on the left is going to segregate Antifa from the rest of the left. I just hope there isn’t a cause that’s important to you that Antifa becomes the focus of that and completely destroys all original meaning of that cause.

After Antifa, it'll be another object of fixation. If Biden happens to talk with Obama at all, you'll see speculation about Obama running a shadow government with Biden as his puppet and claims that his barber is involved in sex trafficking. The nonsense claims are not going to stop anytime soon.
 

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Cool. I didn’t know that. We need more of that and it needs to be repeated at every opportunity there is an Antifa deflection from the right.
My point is, it didn’t seem to have an effect. In fact, you didn’t even know about it. My condemnation of it or failure to do so certainly won’t have any effect.

 

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My point is, it didn’t seem to have an effect. In fact, you didn’t even know about it. My condemnation of it or failure to do so certainly won’t have any effect.


Biden is one person. It needs to be stated across the party to any politician who gets a mic thrown in front of them and the topic comes up.
 

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After Antifa, it'll be another object of fixation. If Biden happens to talk with Obama at all, you'll see speculation about Obama running a shadow government with Biden as his puppet and claims that his barber is involved in sex trafficking. The nonsense claims are not going to stop anytime soon.

I know the nonsense claims will go on to something else, but in this specific case the Democrats reacted with deer in the headlights or smug "I haven't even heard of them so it's not a thing" for way too long.
 

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Antifa isn’t an equal rights movement.

If you want to make a better comparison, do you feel the Black Panthers helped expedite black rights gains or possibly slowed the process because it gave racists an easy target to paint black people as militant and dangerous?
Hard to say. You could say the same thing about ACT/UP during the AIDS crisis. Pretty sure antifa as a group is not typically armed either, so your comparison doesn't work there either. The black panthers are more comparable to white nationalist militias. Except, you know, with an actual grievance.

 

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My point is, it didn’t seem to have an effect. In fact, you didn’t even know about it. My condemnation of it or failure to do so certainly won’t have any effect.

Nope the right will just pick another target. Looks like it's trans kids now.

 

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Nope the right will just pick another target. Looks like it's trans kids now.

I am reading some right-wing message boards and they are all hyped up that the 12 national guard troops singled out for being extremists (out of 25,000) is actually some kind of loyalty test demanded by Biden... I mean, is there any reasoning with people like that?
 

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I am reading some right-wing message boards and they are all hyped up that the 12 national guard troops singled out for being extremists (out of 25,000) is actually some kind of loyalty test demanded by Biden... I mean, is there any reasoning with people like that?
There isn't. You can't negotiate, placate or reason with people who are insane.
 

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Antifa is meant to be a peaceful movement.
No, not really. The people who are identified as "antifa" are kind of old school, like when the government paid certain citizens to kill a bunch of fascists and nazis. And really, as much as the Left practices broad tolerance, how does one reconcile that with respect to the intolerant? Are bigots supposed to be tolerated?

"Antifa" observes Oath Keepers, III%ers, "Patriot Prayer", various "Militias" and other such types, guns slung over their fatigue-draped shoulders, using public spaces to declare and promote their vile ideologies and feel that those idiots should not be allowed to just prance around like they own the place. They need to know that there are people who do not passively countenance their displays but object strongly.

This is kind of a conundrum. If those strutting LARPers are simply starved of attention, their activities might just peter out – or they might draw in new recruits. But if they are confronted by "antifa", well, the same possibilities exist. Perhaps the answer is to treat large groups who march in public with weaponry as de facto terrorists and have them arrested: you can carry a gun, or you can have a big gathering in the square, but you cannot do both at the same time.

Which, of course, would drive them "underground", where we would have a harder time keeping an eye on them. No, this is a pretty difficult problem. "Antifa" is a symptom of another issue that needs to be addressed (which is why it tends to coincide and be conflated with BLM). Repudiating them accomplishes nothing. Why they "exist" is what we need to focus on.
 

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No, not really. The people who are identified as "antifa" are kind of old school, like when the government paid certain citizens to kill a bunch of fascists and nazis. And really, as much as the Left practices broad tolerance, how does one reconcile that with respect to the intolerant? Are bigots supposed to be tolerated?

"Antifa" observes Oath Keepers, III%ers, "Patriot Prayer", various "Militias" and other such types, guns slung over their fatigue-draped shoulders, using public spaces to declare and promote their vile ideologies and feel that those idiots should not be allowed to just prance around like they own the place. They need to know that there are people who do not passively countenance their displays but object strongly.

This is kind of a conundrum. If those strutting LARPers are simply starved of attention, their activities might just peter out – or they might draw in new recruits. But if they are confronted by "antifa", well, the same possibilities exist. Perhaps the answer is to treat large groups who march in public with weaponry as de facto terrorists and have them arrested: you can carry a gun, or you can have a big gathering in the square, but you cannot do both at the same time.

Which, of course, would drive them "underground", where we would have a harder time keeping an eye on them. No, this is a pretty difficult problem. "Antifa" is a symptom of another issue that needs to be addressed (which is why it tends to coincide and be conflated with BLM). Repudiating them accomplishes nothing. Why they "exist" is what we need to focus on.
We didn’t hear much about “Antifa” before we elected a wannabe fascist as President. I suspect you won’t hear much about the movement unless as a response to far-right activity. And I think that will peter out now that they took the megaphone away from Grand Wizard Trump.
 

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Somebody clued me in to this site: Arc Digital. They have articles with two differing perspectives on Antifa:


 

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I guess Antifa was aware that Biden condemned them. So they decided to smash stuff in Portland? These are just anarchists. If they think Biden is a fascist, they are quite daft.


When we had an actual fascist as our President, people might have sympathized with the idea of an anti-fascist movement. Now that he is out of power, they seem to be determined to let everybody know that they are actually just violent idiots I guess?
 

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I guess Antifa was aware that Biden condemned them. So they decided to smash stuff in Portland? These are just anarchists. If they think Biden is a fascist, they are quite daft.


When we had an actual fascist as our President, people might have sympathized with the idea of an anti-fascist movement. Now that he is out of power, they seem to be determined to let everybody know that they are actually just violent idiots I guess?

I started reading your Pro/anti-Antifa articles you posted before this post and they were quite lengthy. I intend to finish them but couldn't comment before doing so. Thanks for posting.

On this quoted post and the general discussion it reminds me of a comedian Jim Jefferies' bit bagging on Trump supporters "The words he said, I understand every one of them." pointing out they agreed with him because he didn't use fancy politician speak. Going with that "Antifa means Anti-fascists. I don't like fascists either so they must be good."
 
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