Does anyone here have an issue with teaching or even discussing CRT?

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And there's probably a lot of people that don't see anything wrong with that sign. SMH
I recall at least two white boys asking Black girls to the prom with similar signs. And the girls were not offended and didn't know what the big deal was. One of the many reasons why we need truth in history lessons.
 

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It was only fifty-four years ago that the US Supreme Court, in a 9-0 decision (Loving v Virginia, 388 U.S. 1, 1967) ruled that the relevant laws of states that still criminalized interracial marriage were unconstitutional. At that time there were still 16 US states with such laws on the books and plenty other states had repealed such laws only since the late 1940s. Map from a related Wikipedia summary:

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The case taken up to the Supreme Court in 1967 was brought on appeal from Virginia's state supreme court, following the criminal conviction in 1958 of Richard A. Loving and his wife Mildred for having married in DC and then attempting to live as man and wife back in Virginia.

For anyone to suggest that all that racialized legal history of ours in the USA did not entrain heavy baggage still being carried by persons of color in the USA is just a crock. It's in the lifetime of anyone over age 54 today that the law of the land in those 16 states still made interracial marriage a crime. A crime to be married to someone you love. And who in right mind can imagine that even a 9-0 Supreme Court decision overtuning those laws could erase in a moment (or a decade. or far longer) all the societal restraints that went along with such laws anyway.

The only way not to acknowledge our true history is to attempt to prevent our learning about it. It's no accident that a lot of the objection to use of critical race theory in education comes from the deep south, although some pols and school boards in plenty of western and midwestern states object as well, and that too derives from their own prior history of sometimes winking at interracial sex but attempting to prevent interracial marriage and so the ascent of persons of color to full status of citizens equal in society and business and all the other ordinary ways of American life as well as formally under law. A lot of the earlier repeal of miscegenation laws is probably attributable to the integration of the US military forces, which by law began in 1948 but only picked up steam during the Korean War and to some extent remains problematic even now. When the head of the Joint Chiefs admits that, I don't know why some of the foot-draggers in Congress can't get right with the facts, including the fact it's time for Americans to learn real American history. The past can never take its proper place while it's still being denied.

 

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It was only fifty-four years ago that the US Supreme Court, in a 9-0 decision (Loving v Virginia, 388 U.S. 1, 1967) ruled that the relevant laws of states that still criminalized interracial marriage were unconstitutional. At that time there were still 16 US states with such laws on the books and plenty other states had repealed such laws only since the late 1940s. Map from a related Wikipedia summary:

a checkered history of freedom to marry.jpg

The case taken up to the Supreme Court in 1967 was brought on appeal from Virginia's state supreme court, following the criminal conviction in 1958 of Richard A. Loving and his wife Mildred for having married in DC and then attempting to live as man and wife back in Virginia.

For anyone to suggest that all that racialized legal history of ours in the USA did not entrain heavy baggage still being carried by persons of color in the USA is just a crock. It's in the lifetime of anyone over age 54 today that the law of the land in those 16 states still made interracial marriage a crime. A crime to be married to someone you love. And who in right mind can imagine that even a 9-0 Supreme Court decision overtuning those laws could erase in a moment (or a decade. or far longer) all the societal restraints that went along with such laws anyway.

The only way not to acknowledge our true history is to attempt to prevent our learning about it. It's no accident that a lot of the objection to use of critical race theory in education comes from the deep south, although some pols and school boards in plenty of western and midwestern states object as well, and that too derives from their own prior history of sometimes winking at interracial sex but attempting to prevent interracial marriage and so the ascent of persons of color to full status of citizens equal in society and business and all the other ordinary ways of American life as well as formally under law. A lot of the earlier repeal of miscegenation laws is probably attributable to the integration of the US military forces, which by law began in 1948 but only picked up steam during the Korean War and to some extent remains problematic even now. When the head of the Joint Chiefs admits that, I don't know why some of the foot-draggers in Congress can't get right with the facts, including the fact it's time for Americans to learn real American history. The past can never take its proper place while it's still being denied.


Critical Thinker: Do you believe in the devil?

Tighty Righty: Yes.

CT: Do you agree that one of his greatest tricks is convincing people that he doesn’t exist?

TR: Absolutely.

CT: Having said that, what are your thoughts on racism?

TR: But Biden.
 

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When we finally can see the REAL issue of CRT. That it's something of political opportunity, ignorant MFers, and easily triggered racist snowflakes who aren't so boot strapping tough as they thought when they hear the very real things that make them uncomfortable.

The conservative cancel culture panic over “critical race theory” in schools is continuing to spread. But while some school districts are correctly pointing out that CRT is not taught in their system, anti-CRT forces have expanded their objections so broadly that defining the controversial academic discipline hardly matters any more.

Tennessee is one of several states that has laws banning CRT from schools, and a chapter of Moms for Liberty, led by Robin Steenman (whose child attends private school) has been reporting the schools of Williamson County for violating the gag rule. But the spreadsheet of objections seems to fall far outside the issues of historic and systemic racism in the US. Objections include books about poisonous lizards, Johnny Appleseed, Greek and Roman mythology, and owls. One respondent objects to a book about Galileo because there is no “HERO of the church” to contrast with their persecution of the astronomer. This group has also objected to a book about Ruby Bridges because it offered no “redemption” for the protestors who screamed at a child trying to go to school.

In York, PA, the school board “froze” a list of books, including books like Brad Metzler’s children’s book I Am Rosa Parks. After student protests (and national attention) the board relented.

The Wisconsin Assembly passed legislation on a party-line vote Tuesday that would bar public schools from teaching critical race theory, the latest Republican-controlled legislative chamber to take action on a culture war issue that erupted in school board meetings around the country this summer.

The measure mirrors efforts in other states to block teachers from instructing students on concepts of racial injustice or inherent bias.

But in testimony before a Wisconsin Assembly committee considering the bill in August, one of the measure’s lead authors went farther than in other states, spelling out specific words that would be barred from the classroom.

Wichgers, who represents Muskego in the legislature, attached an addendum to his legislation that included a list of “terms and concepts” that would violate the bill if it became law.

Among those words: “Woke,” “whiteness,” “White supremacy,” “structural bias,” “structural racism,” “systemic bias” and “systemic racism.” The bill would also bar “abolitionist teaching,” in a state that sent more than 91,000 soldiers to fight with the Union Army in the Civil War.

The list of barred words or concepts includes “equity,” “inclusivity education,” “multiculturalism” and “patriarchy,” as well as “social justice” and “cultural awareness.”

The measure would apply to both instruction provided to students in the classroom as well as training provided to school employees.

It would also require school boards to post curricula to its own websites, and to specific school websites if a school has one. School districts that do not comply would lose 10 percent of their share of state funding. Parents or guardians of students in a school that violates the bill by teaching critical race theory or its related concepts would be allowed to sue in state circuit court.

The proposal has virtually no chance of becoming law: It passed the Assembly on a party line vote, and even if it clears the Senate, it would almost certainly be vetoed by Gov. Tony Evers (D), himself a former superintendent of public instruction.

Remember when the non PC snowflake labelling crowd where whining about censorship & the muzzling of freedom of expression on college campuses? Yeah. Let's use the big gov't they so hate, to dictate what grade schools can teach so their kids won't be taught about this country's difficult history.

And, ...owls.

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When we finally can see the REAL issue of CRT. That it's something of political opportunity, ignorant MFers, and easily triggered racist snowflakes who aren't so boot strapping tough as they thought when they hear the very real things that make them uncomfortable.











Remember when the non PC snowflake labelling crowd where whining about censorship & the muzzling of freedom of expression on college campuses? Yeah. Let's use the big gov't they so hate, to dictate what grade schools can teach so their kids won't be taught about this country's difficult history.

And, ...owls.

FFS
These same right-wingers love to attack others using the term “virtue signaling,” but the Wisconsin bill has no chance of becoming law... so I’m not sure what else you’d call it.
 

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As Jane Elliot clearly explains, it's why some don't like the idea of the existence of CRT, and creatively / falsely expand it as a thing taught in schools. They it's wrong, it exists, but don't want to be reminded that they know it's wrong, it exists, because it does NOT affect them.
 

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A detailed story about the black principal being fired in Colleyville, Texas. Try not to be shocked; the very few students of color at that school were subjected to racist comments from classmates all the time.

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Another appalling story of racism… this time in Maryland.

In a June 16 post to the group, according to a screenshot provided to The New York Times, Ms. Schifanelli declared: “Dr. Kane in QAC needs to end her contract and go! People in this group must call and make it loud and clear that the school must remain apolitical and her letter to parents promoting Black Lives Matter is not going to be tolerated.”

The post went on: “The children must know that those individuals who died in police custody were criminals — not heroes! Our children will not be indoctrinated by anyone’s political opinion in the school and our children must NEVER feel that their white skin color make them guilty of slavery or racism!”

By the time Ms. Schifanelli wrote directly to Dr. Kane on July 6, the Facebook group had grown to 2,000 members.

In August, a rally in support of Dr. Kane drew more than 100 residents and supporters, including members of civil rights groups from across the state.

Dr. Kane thought the show of support would drown out the furor — until she saw more posts from the Kent Island Patriots Facebook group that summer. According to screen shots made public on social media, and others provided to The Times, commenters used the N-word. One post called Black people “animals.” A meme mocked Black men who had been killed by the police with the words: “I caint breave.” One commenter posted a picture of a cotton field with the words “Free BLM shirts. Some assembly required.”

And now the same people making racist posts in that Facebook group easily won positions on the school board and fired the black superintendent. Racism hasn’t gone away. It’s getting worse. These KKK folks don’t even wear a hood anymore. They seem to be proud of themselves.

 

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Unbelievable. This country is going to hell. The Holocaust, slavery… 9 months ago on January 6…. Conservatives are happy to live in a fantasy world where they alone have the power, racism doesn’t exist and never has…

It’s quite the same as pissing on us and telling us it’s rain. These people are literally enacting racist voter suppression laws and trying to whitewash history under the guise of it being because “racism doesn’t exist anymore”.

 

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Unbelievable. This country is going to hell. The Holocaust, slavery… 9 months ago on January 6…. Conservatives are happy to live in a fantasy world where they alone have the power, racism doesn’t exist and never has…

It’s quite the same as pissing on us and telling us it’s rain. These people are literally enacting racist voter suppression laws and trying to whitewash history under the guise of it being because “racism doesn’t exist anymore”.

They need to go on a state-wide teachers’ strike until the law is repealed.
 

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Let's revisit why a thing like CRT could exist, and why A group would be so against that. Because after all, if your own kids follow in your path of racist shit, you don't want them to be made to feel bad about it. Instead it's more important to punish those who point out your racist shit.

So let's take a look at a slice of America...

Black students were suspended from their high school for planning a protest after another group of students came to school waving a Confederate flag.

Last week, a group of students at Coosa High School in Rome, Ga., were filmed waving the Confederate flag and hurling racial slurs.

Newsweek reported that the four students filmed were carrying the Confederate flag in favor of "farm day" on school spirit day, which led up to homecoming.

They did not face any repercussions.

In response, many students said the school did not do much to reprimand the students carrying the flag; and there was a protest planned to bring awareness to the problem, CBS 46 Atlanta reported.

However, the school administration suspended several students who were planning the protest. Student protesters tell CBS 46 that only Black students were suspended.

"The administration is aware of tomorrow's planned protest," the administrator said over the intercom before the planned demonstration. "Police will be present here at school and if students insist on encouraging this kind of activity they will be disciplined for encouraging unrest."

Two white students participating in the Friday protest were not suspended, even though they claimed to be as disruptive as the Black students, CBS reported..

In Floyd county, where the county the school resides, 8 percent of Black students were suspended, the highest number. CBS reported.

Six percent of students with two or more races were suspended; 4 percent of white students were suspended and 2 percent of Hispanic students were suspended.

According to county data, Floyd County is made up of 70 percent white people, with 14 percent being Black people and about 8 percent Hispanic people.

Consciously doing some racist shit is all good, it's before a dance! Pointing out that you're doing some racist shit, THAT is bad, and will get you suspended. Unless of course you are White & pointing out that racist shit, then... NOT suspended. Because...?

Whaaaaa?

I'm sorry, what.

The lack of subtlety involved is fucking incredible there.
 

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Let's revisit why a thing like CRT could exist, and why A group would be so against that. Because after all, if your own kids follow in your path of racist shit, you don't want them to be made to feel bad about it. Instead it's more important to punish those who point out your racist shit.

So let's take a look at a slice of America...




Consciously doing some racist shit is all good, it's before a dance! Pointing out that you're doing some racist shit, THAT is bad, and will get you suspended. Unless of course you are White & pointing out that racist shit, then... NOT suspended. Because...?

Whaaaaa?

I'm sorry, what.

The lack of subtlety involved is fucking incredible there.
So… the MacRumors mods work for that school?
 

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I've got a strong feeling the battle over things like CRT (really just a misused term for accurate history) are a losing battle for the GOP. It seems that as the country becomes more progressive over time, the coded language of the GOP gets less coded and more blunt. And I believe they are whittling down their base and making them louder, but not larger. And each time they lose, they end up banging the drums louder on their racism, sexism, homophobia and religious bigotry. I don't think that's winning them any new voters, but rather just flaming the tempers of those who already support them. After Romney lost in 2012, there was going to be a supposed shake-up in the party to appeal more to minority voters and get back to the "big tent" philosophy, which was always sort of a joke anyways when it came to the GOP. That went out the window really quickly as soon as Trump started gaining traction with his overt racism. He didn't win the most votes in 2016, he lost by a wide clip in 2020, and I fail to see how he wins in 2024. The fact they're even talking about running this two-time vote loser a third time shows you how desperate they are. They have nothing to hang their hat on except the racism, and the passion the GOP has for Trump may whip up high turnout, but it will also encourage a lot of people to vote against him to. The 2020 turnout wasn't high because we have a more informed population and more passion for voting. It's because people either loved or hated the orange nimrod, and it appeared there's more people who hate him than not.

Anyways, I don't see how doubling-down on the strategy that cost them the legislative and executive branches of government will help them win in 2024.. or even the midterms for that matter. As if Trump's term wasn't bad enough, you've got these insane anti-vaccine folks, people demanding whitewashing of history remain the status quo in their schools, and now they're even going so far as to demand "alternate viewpoints" of history in schools. You know the GOP has lost its marbles when they want counter-arguments to the Holocaust in school. But its not surprising, seeing as how they're trying to rewrite January 6.... I saw the damn thing live, yet they continue undeterred, some insisting it was a bad day but we should move on, others insisting it was just a peaceful rally and they are the victims.

Remember how Trump has a monument on his golf course in Virginia to a battle that didn't even happen? That's the kind of stuff we can look forward to in the future if these lunatics have their way.

Of course, its sad that so many great white people will also be lost to history if the GQP have their way of rewriting it. The civil war didn't just happen... there was a long-simmering debate amongst whites about the moral and constitutional appropriateness of slavery. Some were indifferent, some were passionate. Many white abolitionists risked reputation and their lives to aid the cause. It really irks me to hear from conservatives who are making the same arguments that favor the status quo as those sympathetic to the confederacy did nearly 200 years ago.
 

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This is an opinion column.

Gov. Kay Ivey is a presumptive shoo-in for reelection next year, but before she puts her hand on a Bible again, she needs to have her cognitive abilities tested. It seems Ivey’s memory is failing.

Again.

Four years ago, when she ran for governor, Ivey denied she had ever worn blackface or had taken part in any such a thing. But a year after she won the election, a recording surfaced which proved she hadn’t been telling the truth.

While in college at Auburn she took part in a skit common among minstrel shows called “cigar butts.” She painted her face black, donned overalls and yucked it up in front of a crowd of all-white students.

When the tape came to light — a decades-old radio interview in which Ivey and her then-fiance described the skit — Ivey insisted she didn’t remember any of it.

Nevertheless, she apologized.

“I offer my heartfelt apologies for my participation in something from 52 years ago that I find deeply regrettable,” she said. “I want to do all I can, going forward, to help show the nation that the Alabama of today is a far cry from the Alabama of the 1960s.”

Most Black lawmakers accepted the governor’s apology, on the condition that she’d do better in the future. And Ivey promised to do better.

“While we have come a long way, we still have a long way to go, specifically in the area of racial tolerance and mutual respect,” Ivey said. “I assure each of you that I will continue exhausting every effort to meet the unmet needs of this state.”

It’s believable that Ivey might not have remembered. It’s one thing not to remember something that happened decades before.
But forgetting something that happened two years ago is a different story.

You see, despite her promises to do better, Ivey’s at it again. This time she’s race-baiting voters raging over “critical race theory” in schools.

“We have permanently BANNED Critical Race Theory in Alabama,” Ivey tweeted Wednesday. “We’re focused on teaching our children how to read and write, not HATE.”

Before we get to the first half of that tweet, it’s worth touching on the latter. If indeed Ivey is focused on reading and writing in schools, she hasn’t done a very good job. In Alabama, fewer than half of students read at grade level.

Two years ago, Ivey signed a law requiring all 3rd graders not reading at grade level be held back. Now a year out from that mandate taking effect, school systems are faced with potentially flunking a whole bunch of kids.
“We have permanently BANNED Critical Race Theory in Alabama,” Ivey tweeted Wednesday. “We’re focused on teaching our children how to read and write, not HATE.”

Before we get to the first half of that tweet, it’s worth touching on the latter. If indeed Ivey is focused on reading and writing in schools, she hasn’t done a very good job. In Alabama, fewer than half of students read at grade level.

Two years ago, Ivey signed a law requiring all 3rd graders not reading at grade level be held back. Now a year out from that mandate taking effect, school systems are faced with potentially flunking a whole bunch of kids.

But the first part, where she says Alabama has BANNED Critical Race Theory — that part isn’t true, either.

This month, the Alabama State Board of Education — on which Ivey presides as president — passed a so-called critical race theory ban which didn’t in fact ban critical race theory from schools.

“The State Board of Education specifically prohibits each local board of education from offering K-12 instruction that indoctrinates students in social or political ideologies or theories that promote one race or sex above another,” the board’s administrative code now says.

Taught almost exclusively in some law classes and in graduate-level courses, critical race theory examines how social structures and government systems disadvantage minorities, sometimes to the benefit of whites who are unaware of the privileges those systems give them.

It doesn’t teach that one race is better than another or that one sex or gender is better than another — just that some get a better shake from the system than others.

In short, the state school board’s “critical race theory ban” doesn’t ban critical race theory.

But what’s important here isn’t that Ivey is lying about critical race theory. What’s important is her promise two years ago to do better.

Two years ago, we didn’t need Ivey’s blackface scandal to know who she was. She’d shown exactly who she was when she signed a bill prohibiting majority-Black cities from removing Confederate monuments from their parks and public squares.

And two years later, Ivey is at it again.

It's one thing to have been caught doing some racist and not wanting to be held accountable. Only grudgingly accepting responsibility because one has to for their job. It's another to then seek to make sure such shit can't be a thing, because well if no one knows about it... It's another though to use such antics as just another bludgeon for some political points. Who the fuck are these people electing?

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