FBI executed search warrant at Mar-a-Lago

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I dunno, just saw the news breaking this afternoon.

I should have done a shout out to Cmaier since he has more expertise with the law. My fault it wasn't a question to all.
 

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Hmm, surely not what Trump was hoping for. Looks like "delay" is not the word of the day.

 

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He will appeal the appeal.
I would not be surprised. Remember the Trump Baby Balloon? Time to re-up!

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Trump lawyer Christina Bobb told the DOJ she doesn’t want to take the fall for Trump continuing to have government documents after she certified he didn’t. By the time Trump gets indicted the court will have to assign him a free public defender because no lawyer will be left willing to risk the probable damage to their reputation, law license, and freedom.
 

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Trump lawyer Christina Bobb told the DOJ she doesn’t want to take the fall for Trump continuing to have government documents after she certified he didn’t. By the time Trump gets indicted the court will have to assign him a free public defender because no lawyer will be left willing to risk the probable damage to their reputation, law license, and freedom.

Unfortunately by then this country will probably have elected a raft of mini-Trumps currently running for seats in the House. Who knows how much mischief they can summon up if they are still facing a blue Senate and WH... but the Congressional Record may end up littered with frivolous go-nowhere impeachments of Joe Biden.

The most enduring problem with the far right end of the Trump wing of the GOP is that once seated in the House, they don't give a rat's hindquarters if they make a spectacle of themselves while fulfilling their aim of making the federal government look and act like a useless circus. 🤬
 

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The most enduring problem with the far right end of the Trump wing of the GOP is that once seated in the House, they don't give a rat's hindquarters if they make a spectacle of themselves while fulfilling their aim of making the federal government look and act like a useless circus. 🤬
they don't care now. just look at what the candidates are saying. Trump set the bar so low and got rewarded for it that now his zealots can say anything and still get elected. I swear somone could ahve sex with a young minor knock them up and as long as they made sure she did not get an abortion they would elect them.
 

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they don't care now. just look at what the candidates are saying. Trump set the bar so low and got rewarded for it that now his zealots can say anything and still get elected. I swear somone could ahve sex with a young minor knock them up and as long as they made sure she did not get an abortion they would elect them.

Or just say they found Jesus 10 minutes later and all is forgiven.
 

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they don't care now. just look at what the candidates are saying. Trump set the bar so low and got rewarded for it that now his zealots can say anything and still get elected. I swear somone could ahve sex with a young minor knock them up and as long as they made sure she did not get an abortion they would elect them.
Isn’t Herschel Walker being forgiven for an abortion? I think the true unpardonable sin for the GOP is working with a Democrat or supporting any single thing a Dem says ever.
 

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they don't care now. just look at what the candidates are saying. Trump set the bar so low and got rewarded for it that now his zealots can say anything and still get elected. I swear somone could ahve sex with a young minor knock them up and as long as they made sure she did not get an abortion they would elect them.

Yep. It's Trump's "could shoot someone on Fifth Ave etc" motif taken even farther, and apparently no scandal would sway opinion of most right-leaning voters. This despite cognitive dissonance with the Q-Anon fetish about pedophiles and so forth. I start wanting to be unconscious for the last run here to the elections. Or collecting bits of satire to cheer me up. I liked this one...

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Isn’t Herschel Walker being forgiven for an abortion? I think the true unpardonable sin for the GOP is working with a Democrat or supporting any single thing a Dem says ever.
and not being a farther to his three kids holding a gun to his girlfriends head. lying about being a cop and other officials.
 

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and not being a farther to his three kids holding a gun to his girlfriends head. lying about being a cop and other officials.

And lying about his business experience, big time. Walker doesn't just exaggerate...


Bulloch said she tends to vote conservative, but like many young women, has a more liberal view when it comes to abortion rights. Walker’s apparent inconsistency on abortion, though, was less of a concern to Bulloch than television ads she has seen alleging he misrepresented his business success and claiming he worked in law enforcement.

“It was 2009, it was a long time ago. His views can change,” Bulloch said of the alleged abortion. “But it bothers me that he lies. He seems like he lies a lot.”

Hmm. That voter should likely have thought about consequence of voting for liars back aways...

This guy Herschel Walker, if elected to the US Senate, is not capable of being more than a walking puppet for whatever K street wants most from the Republicans between 2023 and 2028. And that's assuming Walker doesn't get himself into personal or medical trouble in the meantime.

What ticks me off the most about the GOP's bans on abortion is their painting of political opposition as "pro abortion". The Democrats are pro choice. They want the decision left as it should be, a health matter left to physicians and a woman or couple.

The negative implications of a national ban on abortions are myriad, as are some of the results already occurring in states with draconian anti-abortion laws:

Brain drain of physicians, especially ob/gyn specialists, not to mention their medical assistants.​
Corporations starting to look around for a state they could move their headquarters to, in order to try to stave off employee lawsuits over insurance coverage changes.​
Universities wondering if they can attract the level of academic instruction --maybe especially young PhD candidates with teaching posts-- that they have relied on in the past to supplement full professorships. How to keep bright high school kids from looking to go to college out of state despite extra expenses. How to keep state university doors open.​
Law enforcement wondering exactly what their mandate really is, or might be, and what are the consequences of their misunderstanding the law or the situation when some citizen decides to sue either because of a particular abortion or because one was not made available. Next up: who the heck wants to be the AG or maybe even a city's District Attorney in such a state?​
State political parties wondering how to attract competent candidates for public office in metro areas and mid-size municipalities. The downspill of an exodus from any state hits public offices quickly. Why? Because candidates are looking for a slot that will boost their resumé. What are the chances there, when anyone with the ability to join a statewide brain drain has already done that... so who's left? Voters ready to sue, recall, vote out of office at the drop of a hat when anything in their life goes wrong, that's who. That's already true, but the landscape of possible "things going wrong" is vastly expanded when expertise picks up stakes and leaves en masse.​
Finally: an increased tolerance for corruption. When a law becomes too burdensome, lawbreaking becomes more popular. So do attempts to get the right people to look the other way at convenient moments. Look for more cases of corruption in both law enforcement and medicine if there's a national ban on abortion. You can buy an illegal abortion, so why not buy a kidney transplant by jumping the line and snagging a kidney before it's your turn? If you can get the DA not to charge a doctor for privately finishing a botched DIY abortion in his office, maybe can also get the DA not to charge for a hit-and-run that killed a two-year-old? Maybe because you know he didn't charge a few doctors for performing a few abortions... ? All kinds of lessons wait to be learned from workarounds to a national ban on abortion. Most will be ugly.​

ALL OF THESE ISSUES affect quality of life for everyone in any state that passes abortion bans. This even for old men, infants, and everyone in between without a need for or thought of abortion.

And if the Rs manage to pass a national ban? Well for emergency medical attention, good luck. For medicated terminations gone bad, likewise. For those who should have used better birth control, it's back to pre-1973 back alley fixes, or sneaking off once again to Dr. FeelGood on Park Ave, who for a special price can provide a clinically sterile if not necessarily expert abortion.

All this from Republicans meanwhile talking up personal freedom. Do they ever hear themselves?

I wish the Georgia Republicans with even a shred of personal integrity would stand up and say enough already, and disavow Walker right now. That's not going to happen though, and so I hope instead that Georgia Democrats turn out to re-elect Raphael Warnock by a majority of hundreds of thousands. So to end Herschel Walker's pathetic post-football career as no more than the pathetic pawn of Trump and a bunch of cynical "pro-Trump" Republicans.
 

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if democrats want it all they need to just lie and say they are against abortion. instant majority.

Hah, that is essentially what Trump did ahead of his 2016 campaign. He didn't even really know a platform on abortion existed for either party until Bannon pointed it out to him and said Trump might have a problem, since he had given money to both parties and it was necessary to be anti-abortion to succeed as a Republican. OK OK Trump had said, so I'm against abortion right now, no problem. And everybody in NY gives money to both parties so again no problem...

But see "democrats" are not Donald Trump. He pegged his 2016 campaign on his TV celebrity, and the USA promptly reaped the first really terrible harvest of having sowed the seeds for it during sixty-five years of becoming a celebrity-obsessed nation.

Sure, name recognition was always a thing in our politics. But the names we used to recognize were those of governors or senators. In 1996 we added on "and the occasional highly successful if weird businessman" in the form of one Ross Perot. After that it was only a matter of time until some other businessman would throw a serious hat in the ring and Trump in fact did make a few earlier attempts. In 2016 finally came another distinctly populist year and he struck gold in them thar hills. Everybody out there knew the Trump of reality TV.

Far fewer understood what he was (and still is, only worse), and how appalling his candidacy would be, never mind his presidency. But on balance it appears that those who voted for Trump the celebrity would do it all again even after evidence that he has not served their interests. Even worse they now extend their gullibility into support of the candidates that Trump endorses.
 

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The court battles regarding Mar-a-Lago documents roll on... now it's DoJ asking SCOTUS not to get involved in Trump's latest bid to get the docs that are marked as classified back in the hand of the special master.


“Applicant has never represented in any of his multiple legal filings in multiple courts that he in fact declassified any documents — much less supported such a representation with competent evidence,” Prelogar wrote in the 32-page brief.

Trump has repeatedly, and publicly, claimed to have declassified all of the items seized by the FBI that bear classification markings — including some which characterize the records as among the most sensitive, closely held secrets the government possesses. But his lawyers have repeatedly refused to echo those claims, saying they don’t want to commit themselves to possible defense theories like declassification before a potential indictment.

In several rounds of legal filings and oral argument — including Trump’s application to the Supreme Court last week — the former president’s attorneys have decidedly avoided the issue, saying only that Trump’s access to the records remains absolute, “whether classified or declassified.”

Trump’s bid for Supreme Court relief did not seek to restore the ban Cannon initially imposed on investigators accessing the documents with classified markings.

Trump’s request to the Supreme Court and the Justice Department’s response were technically submitted to Justice Clarence Thomas, because he oversees the 11th Circuit, which includes Florida. However, in high-profile cases, the individual justices almost always refer requests for emergency relief to the full court.
 

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The court battles regarding Mar-a-Lago documents roll on... now it's DoJ asking SCOTUS not to get involved in Trump's latest bid to get the docs that are marked as classified back in the hand of the special master.


I think the Supreme Court did some minimal soul searching after their Roe v Wade decision. They had their head so far up the federalist society’s ass for so long I think they were honestly shocked at the backlash they received, their refusal to hear the fetus personhood case is proof of that. They know they are on shaky ground with a volatile country. So who knows. They might decide to stay out of this one too in an effort to claw back some credibility.

As I recently heard, with every regressive Christian crusade decision they make the more the numbers swell against them and nobody can do anything about the changing demogrpahics that put them on the wrong side of history. So either they can get their shit straight or accept their legacy as villains and enemies of the people.
 

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They might decide to stay out of this one too in an effort to claw back some credibility.

I hope you are right. They need to not help this guy Trump drag out his appearance of having "executive powers". It's lost on most of his followers that he's just a guy in citizen clothes now.

His lawyers are unsure how far they can press a privilege claim considering the specifics of this situation with classified or otherwise restricted data taken by Trump to Mar a Lago as he packed up stuff to leave the White House at end of his presidency. He had been warned by his own counsel and aides not to take stuff he took.

The whole thing just stinks. Pretty sure the Roberts would like his court not to have to weigh in on anything to do with this ex President ever again. They are in enough trouble having chosen to overturn Roe v Wade.

Trump of course sees everything through the lens of how will it play with his base. Supreme Court? Bring it!
 

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If this (or any of the multiple cases being investigated) goes to court get ready for the defense and Trump supporters to attack the character and past of prosecution witnesses. Meanwhile Herschel Walker could add curb stomping toddlers to his already long list of sane people disqualifiers and they’d not see what the big deal is and still vote for him.
 

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Supreme Court has declined Trump team's request to intervene in the documents case - meaning the Special Master will not be able to review the classified documents (being a decent judge, he didn't want to anyways).

This essentially renders the special master case mostly useless. It was a time-buying ploy from the beginning, and that's all it is now.

 
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