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I came across a really interesting post at Reddit. I do want to credit the poster. I think the reddit format is great for monologs but prohibitive of meaningful two-way communication.

Is anyone else really concerned about the future of this country? (self.unitedkingdom)
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The passing of the Policing Bill made me reflect on a lot of worrying things that have happened over the last decade.
  • Brexit disconnecting ourselves from trade and legal intervention from our surrounding countries followed by a historic rise in our nuclear stockpile cap, counteracting nuclear disarmament
  • Investigatory Powers Act 2016 allowing the government to monitor and collect everyone's communication data in bulk
  • Government-ordered 'independent review' into the Human Rights Act
  • Overseas Operations Bill currently in the House of Lords essentially allowing soldiers oversees to commit torture and other war crimes abroad without prosecution/legal consequence
  • Met Police enabling facial recognition in CCTV against government advise whilst flat-out denying any/all allegations of institutional overuse of powers despite endless evidence to the contrary (see: stop and search statistics, deaths in police custody i.e. Mohamud Mohammed Hassan leading only to 'police misconduct' notices, undercover officers entering romantic relationships under false pretences with little consequences, Black Lives Matter and Sarah Everard protest police kettling occurring right before violence, Cherry Groce)
  • Dismissal of Black Lives Matter protests leading to a statue toppling by our Home Secretary as 'dreadful' conveniently followed by a serious increase in police powers introducing 10 year sentences for statue toppling and for 'serious annoyance and inconvenience'
  • Reacting to the murder of a woman by a police officer by installing hidden police officers within nightclubs without prompt or previous demand under the guise of women's safety
  • As of yesterday the Home Secretary signalling she'll be implementing First Past the Post voting in London's mayoral elections because “transferable voting systems were rejected by the British people in the 2011 nationwide referendum” (a position historically held by the opposing party)
Then there's the way the Conservative Party spends taxpayer money and chooses trade partners:
  • PM Boris Johnson being found in the UK courts via the Good Law Project to have broken the law misleading parliament with PPE contract information. The consequences so far asking where billions of pounds has lbeen spent has been... Nothing. Meanwhile the government can only afford a 1% NHS pay rise following the biggest challenge in decades the health system has faced and successfully overcome (so far)
  • At the same time as above, the government are proposing to cut our foreign anti-corruption spending by 80% whilst also cutting foreign aid to countries like Yemen yet continuing to fund Saudi Arabia
  • Dominic Raab tells UK officials to trade with countries which fail to meet human rights standards in newly leaked video and Boris speaks how China poses 'great challenge for an open society' (doublespeak, anyone?)
Not to mention other unresolved issues like:
  • Grenfell still has nobody found of any wrongdoing with no housing for victims 3 years later
  • Continuing error with and deportations of Windrush citizens
  • Continual dismissal and ignoring of the impending global warming crisis
  • Breaking international law by extending the Ireland trade grace period against the wishes of the EU, making us look like untrustworthy trading partners worldwide
  • Russian interference with the 2016 Brexit referendum not investigated by the government
  • The Royal Family quietly avoiding coverage of their paedophilic Prince Andrew via reacting to a royal couple fleeing to the US due to negative press and race-related experiences (responding with polite shock, denial and a negative public reaction matching the negative press that surrounded them from the start in the first place)
All in all, I feel like I'm witnessing this country take more and more steps towards ignorant, authoritarian fascism... We're distancing ourselves from all other countries, doubling down on making up our own rules allowing our branches of law enforcement to enforce with little restrictions or consequence whilst strengthening ties with countries that do the same. I'm really struggling to see much good happening here beyond the vaccination program which, although is going great, is something we're ploughing ahead with mainly for self-preservation reasons. I'm left wondering what this country is supposed to represent any more.
I'm all ears to any thoughts on my observations. I'm trying not to be a Scrooge, but I see almost nothing to be happy about in the UK politically speaking at the moment.

Folks with direct UK connections, what is your take on this?
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I came across a really interesting post at Reddit. I do want to credit the poster. I think the reddit format is great for monologs but prohibitive of meaningful two-way communication.



Folks with direct UK connections, what is your take on this?
@Arkitect, @Zoidberg, @Scepticalscribe

That comprehensive list - with which I am pretty much in agreement, by the way - overlooked (entirely), the appalling murder of Sarah Everard.

This which annoys - but does not surprise me, because it seems to include almost everything else. Anyway, Sarah Everard was abducted and murdered while walking home in London at around 9.00 pm on March 3 - (the suspect, who has been arrested and charged, is a police officer).

That comprehensive list also overlooks the outrageous, vicious, and violent police reaction - male police officers kneeling on and cuffing masked women, and destroying flowers left in memory of Sarah Everard - to a vigil (socially distanced, masked) organised by women to protest against the fact that the streets, the public space, are unsafe for women, - a vigil arranged to protest generally against (male) violence against women.

However, I am convinced that matters are even worse than that appalling catalogue suggests.

UK trade with the EU (their largest trading partner, and the one to which they are closest geographically, and indeed, culturally), has collapsed (decreased?) by over two thirds in some areas since January of this year, while the "just in time" nature of much modern commerce has all but imploded.

I cannot see how this will improve, and fatuous attempts to replace trade with the EU by trade with the US, or Commonwealth, or Asia, is, frankly, utterly delusional.

Price increases and striking reductions in the range of products available are two inevitable consequences, which are already taking place. Already Amsterdam has overtaken London as the financial centre of Europe since January, for financial services have migrated elsewhere while domestic manufacturing - and agriculture - (not to mention fishing) - are all under severe strain.

As is, I suspect, an increase in actual hunger experienced amongst the poorest - least well off members of society - an absolute moral, physical, economic social, disaster and disgrace in what was one of the richest and best resourced countries in the world.

In England, the notion of (English) sovereignty - which is what the Brexit experiment was all about - has become conflated with (English) "nationalism" and it is taking a very ugly and insular expression.

Therefore, over the coming years, I also expect to see the break up of the UK into its constituent parts, (for, I cannot see how Scotland or Northern Ireland will still be a part of the UK in a decade's time, if matters continue as they are).

Actually, at times, I believe that the aim of the "ruling elite" in England (for this is an English - not a British - project) is to build a nasty little insular, smug, self-satisfied, rigidly stratified, tightly controlled, English state, one where the poor, people of colour and women are reduced to something resembling servitude, serfs stripped of rights, and returned to a modern version of the world of the 17th century, perhaps, even that of the 14th century, a return to feudalism, a world of rigidly stratified hierarchy, culturally defined deference and servitude.
 
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That comprehensive list - with which I am pretty much in agreement, by the way - overlooked (entirely), the appalling murder of Sarah Everard.

This which annoys - but does not surprise me, because it seems to include almost everything else. Anyway, Sarah Everard was abducted and murdered while walking home in London at around 9.00 pm on March 3 - (the suspect, who has been arrested and charged, is a police officer).

That comprehensive list also overlooks the outrageous, vicious, and violent police reaction - male police officers kneeling on and cuffing masked women, and destroying flowers left in memory of Sarah Everard - to a vigil (socially distanced, masked) organised by women to protest against the fact that the streets, the public space, are unsafe for women, - a vigil arranged to protest generally against (male) violence against women.

However, I am convinced that matters are even worse than that appalling catalogue suggests.

UK trade with the EU (their largest trading partner, and the one to which they are closest geographically, and indeed, culturally), has collapsed (decreased?) by over two thirds in some areas since January of this year, while the "just in time" nature of much modern commerce has all but imploded.

I cannot see how this will improve, and fatuous attempts to replace trade with the EU by trade with the US, or Commonwealth, or Asia, is, frankly, utterly delusional.

Price increases and striking reductions in the range of products available are two inevitable consequences, which are already taking place. Already Amsterdam has overtaken London as the financial centre of Europe since January, for financial services have migrated elsewhere while domestic manufacturing - and agriculture - (not to mention fishing) - are all under severe strain.

As is, I suspect, an increase in actual hunger experienced amongst the poorest - least well off members of society - an absolute moral, physical, economic social, disaster and disgrace in what was one of the richest and best resourced countries in the world.

In England, the notion of (English) sovereignty - which is what the Brexit experiment was all about - has become conflated with (English) "nationalism" and it is taking a very ugly and insular expression.

Therefore, over the coming years, I also expect to see the break up of the UK into its constituent parts, (for, I cannot see how Scotland or Northern Ireland will still be a part of the UK in a decade's time, if matters continue as they are).

Actually, at times, I believe that the aim of the "ruling elite" in England (for this is an English - not a British - project) is to build a nasty little insular, smug, self-satisfied, rigidly stratified, tightly controlled, English state, one where the poor, people of colour and women are reduced to something resembling servitude, serfs stripped of rights, and returned to a modern version of the world of the 17th century, perhaps, even that of the 14th century, a return to feudalism, a world of rigidly stratified hierarchy, culturally defined deference and servitude.
I believe they mentioned the murder of this woman:
"Reacting to the murder of a woman by a police officer by installing hidden police officers within nightclubs without prompt or previous demand under the guise of women's safety"

But it's really hard for me to keep up. After finishing medschool I had the options to go to the UK (many of my friends did this), Germany, Norway/Denmark...or take a research position in the USA with a subsequent avenue to residency/fellowship. I chose the latter because I'm a masochist (i.e. competitive multi-step relicensure). Now in retrospect, I'm definitely better off than my buddies in the UK, and am amazed how insanely counterproductive Brexit had been. The EU isn't a charity... its economic superpowers profit a LOT from high quality immigration it enables. It may not be straightforward for the average person, but the fact that there was leadership that managed to torpedo this still baffles me.
 

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I believe they mentioned the murder of this woman:
"Reacting to the murder of a woman by a police officer by installing hidden police officers within nightclubs without prompt or previous demand under the guise of women's safety"

But it's really hard for me to keep up. After finishing medschool I had the options to go to the UK (many of my friends did this), Germany, Norway/Denmark...or take a research position in the USA with a subsequent avenue to residency/fellowship. I chose the latter because I'm a masochist (i.e. competitive multi-step relicensure). Now in retrospect, I'm definitely better off than my buddies in the UK, and am amazed how insanely counterproductive Brexit had been. The EU isn't a charity... its economic superpowers profit a LOT from high quality immigration it enables. It may not be straightforward for the average person, but the fact that there was leadership that managed to torpedo this still baffles me.

They mentioned it, - that is, the murder of Sarah Everard - briefly and in passing - without acknowledging or recognising (as was the case with George Floyd's murder last year in the US re discussions on matters of race, and drastically differing on whether or why it mattered) how explosive it is.

Re "the fact that there was leadership that managed to torpedo this": Actually, I have come the conclusion that the leadership fullly intended to torpedo this; they wanted the most nihilistic, negative and destructive version of Brexit imaginable.

They wanted to destroy (successfully persuading the electorate that this is "sovereignty", the old "taking back control") EU protections on the environment, civil & human rights, consumer protections, on women's rights, and on labour rights.

The EU would have had no problems with acquiescing to a request for an extension of the transition period; likewise, the EU would have not have quibbled over extending the Erasmus Scheme (student exchanges) to ensure that the UK could continue to avail of it.

However, I have absolutely no doubt that the Government is seeking to mask how economically destructive and devastating Brexit has been by blaming Covid for (which has also been catastrophic) for whatever economic wobbles have taken place.
 
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They mentioned it, - briefly and in passing - without acknowledging or recognising (as was the case with George Floyd's murder last year in the US re discussions on matters of race, and drastically differing on whether or why it mattered) how explosive it is.

Re "the fact that there was leadership that managed to torpedo this": Actually, I have come the conclusion that the leadership fullly intended to torpedo this; they wanted the most nihilistic, negative and destructive version of Brexit.

They wanted to destroy (successfully persuading the electorate that this is "sovereignty", the old "taking back control") EU protections on the environment, civil & human rights, consumer protections, on women's rights, and on labour rights.

The EU would have had no problems with acquiescing to a request for an extension of the transition period; likewise, the EU would have not have quibbled over extending the Erasmus Scheme (student exchanges) to ensure that the UK could continue to avail of it.

However, I have absolutely no doubt that the Government is seeking to mask how economically destructive and devastating Brexit has been by blaming Covid for (which has also been catastrophic) for whatever economic wobbles have taken place.

Insane:(
 

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I came across a really interesting post at Reddit. I do want to credit the poster. I think the reddit format is great for monologs but prohibitive of meaningful two-way communication.



Folks with direct UK connections, what is your take on this?
@Arkitect, @Zoidberg, @Scepticalscribe
It's funny that you'd mention me, because I had actually already commented something on that very thread. I am pretty much in full agreement: Unless there's some big turn of events, I can't see the Tories changing course, and I can't see them losing. Given the right spin –at which our media are experts– most foreseeable situations will be made conducive to further conservative gains. They have no incentive to backtrack so I simply cannot see it getting better any time soon.

In more than one way I feel like the UK is in the same position the US were back in 2017 when Trump gained power: at the beginning of a bad spell that will take time to get repaired and even then will leave long lasting scars.

As for me, I'll emigrate within a couple of years (but that was always my plan).
 
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