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I'm only half way in, but I don't like this all-or-nothing test. It only asks absolutes and lacks nuance in its questions.
ie: "The means of production, such as factories and farms, must be publicly owned".:rolleyes:

Anyway, apparently I'm a Left-Wing Nationalist.

"Left-Wing Nationalism is an ideology that mixes left-wing economics with non-xenophobic nationalism and patriotism. Many Left-Wing Nationalists are simultaneously supportive of international solidarity, and may be supportive of armed struggle."

 
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Democratic Socialist* here.
I think its a good measure.

it uses some outdated terminology that might confuse some people. Many (most?) people talking this do not understand original Marxist terminology -only what has popularly been evolved about Marxism.
The questionnaire would yield more accurate results if it phrased its questions in a less Marxist ideological way.

*my result reads: "Democratic Socialism".
in the "other groups" listed that i am/should feel closest to, it lists a different separate group called "Social Democracy" but my affinity rating to that group is only 58.4% . so its clear to me that Democratic Socialism and a Social Democracy in this rating is different.
so therefore in the context of this survey, it is better to use whatever term it affixes quite precisely.
Democratic Socialist and Social Democrat are different. quite different in this survey.

my results:
 
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some questions are appallingly stupid:
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Why would people have a right for a violent uprising? People uprise violently because they feel they have no (or insufficient) rights.
Just ridiculous...

...But I'm a social democrat and that's absolutely spot on. Revolution is not a means to a better society, it's the opposite. It's the clearest sign of a messed up one and the ultimate goal is to keep people happy, and safe so that nobody feels that revolution is needed.
 
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Yes, it appears that I'm a social democrat, too, which, given that this is how I cast my ballot, is entirely accurate.
 

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Why would people have a right for a violent uprising? People uprise violently because they feel they have no (or insufficient) rights.
I think the idea is that if there is a revolution forming in West Schmuckistan, is there a proper way for Upper Nerdlandia to respond? The question is pretty fraught. The nature of the oppression, the tenor of the uprising and the overall impact of the likely outcome on both the Schmukis and the Nerdlandians must be taken into account before Upper Nerdlandia decides whether to remain neutral or allow for support of a side. Because, not all forms of oppression are comparable.

If you find yourselves going n circles, you should probably cut back on the revolutions

As far as making changes to society, ideology of any stripe seems to be problematic. What needs to happen is examination of the symptomatic problems, identification of the causal factors and strategizing realistic approaches to mitigating those issues. There is no "this always works so we should do this", which is the failure of ideology.

As an example, I am greatly bothered by the tremendous scope of property ownership in our culture. Why should that guy in Schenectady own 3 apartment complexes in Albuquerque, that he has never seen or even been any closer to than the one time he took a trip to Yellowstone? I feel like property should only ever be owned by the people who live on/in it (and never banks). But there are downsides to that line of thinking. Extreme local control can lead to serious local resource mismanagement, or to convoluted schemes to circumvent the rules.

The biggest problems we face are not really being looked at. Practical solutions are being straitened by dogmatism and polemicism, so little-to-no ground ever is gained.
 

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some questions are appallingly stupid:
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Why would people have a right for a violent uprising? People uprise violently because they feel they have no (or insufficient) rights.
Just ridiculous...

...But I'm a social democrat and that's absolutely spot on. Revolution is not a means to a better society, it's the opposite. It's the clearest sign of a messed up one and the ultimate goal is to keep people happy, and safe so that nobody feels that revolution is needed.
What a ridiculous question, sounds like a setup from a right wing organization.
 

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I'm a laidback leftie unless I don't get my way in which case I am the boss because of my birth order so get over it.

This by the way accounts for my ability to spend 35 years with one foot in the city and one foot in the sticks and feel like I belong in both places because unlike Trump I figure live and let live except under my own damn roof where I am the boss unless there is a cat on the premises. Please refer any rude questions to my neighbor in the sticks who exercises both his and my right to bear arms .

EDIT: although I might be kidding myself... because when I took the waterhole personality test, I turned up as an olive baboon and was warned to enjoy my time with all my friends but keep an eye out for predators. Go figure.
 
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I'm a laidback leftie unless I don't get my way in which case I am the boss because of my birth order so get over it.

This by the way accounts for my ability to spend 35 years with one foot in the city and one foot in the sticks and feel like I belong in both places because unlike Trump I figure live and let live except under my own damn roof where I am the boss unless there is a cat on the premises. Please refer any rude questions to my neighbor in the sticks who exercises both his and my right to bear arms .

EDIT: although I might be kidding myself... because when I took the waterhole personality test, I turned up as an olive baboon and was warned to enjoy my time with all my friends but keep an eye out for predators. Go figure.

I do so understand this.

Actually, I'm a laid-back (a lot more laid back than in my student days, when I was the sort of middle class idiot who advocated revolution for everyone else) leftie, too, the sort of lapsed pacifist who is still surprised when the waterhole personality test suggested that that the noun 'lion' might match my personality.

Mind you, there have been a number of conversations over the past decade, more than cover the fingers of one hand, - with people who know me reasonably well, or who have worked with me in some of the strange spots where I spend time, who splutter, sufficiently incredulously for me to affect surprise, "pacifist, you, seriously?" - and I insist, yes, this is what I think I believe in.....or, try to believe in....

The best student I ever had, - I mentored her when she was an undergrad - she has five first class honours degrees, including a Masters in Law from Cambridge, where she was not just awarded a First Class degree, but - for the first time in her life came second, not first, in her finals - now a good friend, sighed, and said to me, "you're a pacifist in your head, but not in your heart...."

But, hey, I'm still an unrepentant leftie....just not the raving middle class revolutionary I was a few decades ago.
 
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I think the idea is that if there is a revolution forming in West Schmuckistan, is there a proper way for Upper Nerdlandia to respond? The question is pretty fraught. The nature of the oppression, the tenor of the uprising and the overall impact of the likely outcome on both the Schmukis and the Nerdlandians must be taken into account before Upper Nerdlandia decides whether to remain neutral or allow for support of a side. Because, not all forms of oppression are comparable.

If you find yourselves going n circles, you should probably cut back on the revolutions

As far as making changes to society, ideology of any stripe seems to be problematic. What needs to happen is examination of the symptomatic problems, identification of the causal factors and strategizing realistic approaches to mitigating those issues. There is no "this always works so we should do this", which is the failure of ideology.

As an example, I am greatly bothered by the tremendous scope of property ownership in our culture. Why should that guy in Schenectady own 3 apartment complexes in Albuquerque, that he has never seen or even been any closer to than the one time he took a trip to Yellowstone? I feel like property should only ever be owned by the people who live on/in it (and never banks). But there are downsides to that line of thinking. Extreme local control can lead to serious local resource mismanagement, or to convoluted schemes to circumvent the rules.

The biggest problems we face are not really being looked at. Practical solutions are being straitened by dogmatism and polemicism, so little-to-no ground ever is gained.
Nerdlandia and Schmuckistan.:D My principles are different. I'm fine with anyone owning as much land/property as they want as long as they are 1) not exploiting other people in a way that the victims are deprived of basic human rights/needs 2) not generating profit in a means that generates cost to be covered by society at large (e.g. environmental pollution with long-term health effects). Like Nestlé, Pepsi, Coca Cola or Purdue Pharma. Internationalism dilutes attention so I'm not necessarily a fan, but shared values and international collaboration is a must for the survival of our species when it comes to environmental issues, that know no borders (like global warming, but even upstream pollution of waters)...
 
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