Liz Cheney’s days seem to be numbered

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At least as far as her GQP leadership role.

It’s amazing—and appalling—how many of the GQP rank and file want her out…for telling the truth. For standing up to Trump. For thinking for herself. Hell, for thinking.

If they oust her, as it appears they will, I’d love to see her exact revenge by running for president in 2024 as an independent. If they’re dumb enough to run Trump or DeSantis, they deserve it.

 

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At least as far as her GQP leadership role.

It’s amazing—and appalling—how many of the GQP rank and file want her out…for telling the truth. For standing up to Trump. For thinking for herself. Hell, for thinking.

If they oust her, as it appears they will, I’d love to see her exact revenge by running for president in 2024 as an independent. If they’re dumb enough to run Trump or DeSantis, they deserve it.

They have no room for rational people in their party and as a result IMO they're just going to continue to fracture. Romney and Cheney are people we'll disagree with on policy but at least they're not batshit crazy.
 

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Nice to see Mitt Romney coming to her defense.


So how long until there’s a target on his back?
Seems it’s there already. The GOP scares me more and more.

 

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Just sit back and enjoy the show. It’s fun to watch their party implode. And it’s their own fault. They actively embraced the far-right nuts, and now the party is run by them. As the party gets more and more insane, it will continue to shrink. Because we only have 2 parties in America, sometimes we think people are split about 50/50. They’re not anymore. People are leaving the GOP and they might never come back.
 

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I seriously wouldn't mind going back to a time when the two parties had disagreements on policies but Republicans are so far out there right now that there's just no sane conversation to be had. I agree, they're only hurting themselves while Democrats are the only adults in the room. As for Cheney and Romney, IMO we should be applauding them for at least trying to give their party a sense of normalcy.
 

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The Rs have to know they have a problem in terms of appeal to enough American voters to retain power they now have in state legislatures and governorships. If they had thought policy was the glue that has so far held their electorate together, they'd have come up with a platform of policy rather than making their 2020 national convention simply a love fest for Donald Trump. But they were out of practice on policy... because their policy had become what they are, which is just overt obstruction of Democratic Party proposals.

The Rs focused on how many more votes Trump got in 2020 than in 2016... failing to acknowledge meanwhile what it had meant that they lost the House in 2018 and past that experienced plenty blue drift in seats they actually managed to retain. And failing to acknowledge that where they'd picked up votes in 2016, they couldn't hold enough of those same electoral votes in 2020. And on top of that, they lost Georgia three times: the presidential vote and the two US Senate races as well.

The GOP response to all that was to double down on their 2020 convention circus of "Trump cult as platform" by either supporting or averting eyes from Trump-incited attempts to overturn the Biden-Harris election. Then then further underwrote Trump via the RNC's winter meeting by re-electing avid Trump supporter Ronna McDaniel (Romney's niece, no less!) as their national party chair and by appointing a Trump supporter as her deputy.

So for the GOP's current national and official leadership except for Liz Cheney, it's still all about Trump... and same for some of the state level GOP committees, and yet Americans clearly do favor stuff like the infrastructure bill, fixing loopholes in gun acquisition, repairing rather than ditching the Affordable Care Act. Go figure.

It's alarming to realize that the GOP see they are coming up short on policy and that their response is not like 2012 where they at first tried outreach to Hispanics and Asians. Then came Trump and the fluke of his appeal at a time when both right and left populists were unhappy with traditional candidates. This time around, having lost the House, Senate and White House, the Rs seem to be saying their policy will be to make it harder for Americans to vote, especially where it might seem like those Americans might continue to drift blue.

"If you can't win the vote, suppress it" doesn't seem like the catchiest sort of bumpersticker really, And they don't know what to do about the threat that Trump might split the party if he can't keep the GOP's formal approval of his possible future candidacy. The irony is that Trump never liked the constraints of the presidency and right now is only milking his fan base for as much money as he can for as long as he can. His party may now be less the party of NO than the party of NO BALLS.

LIz Cheney has more courage than any of the rest of that lot. She should not be discounted, either. The RNC and the benighted state committees like the one in Arizona might discover that there's a silent majority out there in Republican voter-land, but it's not aligned with Donald Trump any more. They're ripe for a saner choice, one that has some sound policy ideas for ordinary Americans. Meanwhile Joe Biden dances the line trying not to alienate too many of his own party's progressives in order to court a potential swing vote from "moderate conservatives" for 2022 and 2024. It will be interesting to see how that works out.
 

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Their entire platform is lying while accusing others of lying. If you can't agree to do that at a minimum then you are out. Politicians lying used to be more about telling half the story or hyperbole. Republicans under Trump decided to just go full lies.

If nothing else comes from this period in our history, it can be pointed to as the moment when American exceptionalism was definitively put in the ground, although it was slowly being killed long before that. The inmates running the asylum is on full display for the world.
 

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The Rs have to know they have a problem in terms of appeal to enough American voters to retain power they now have in state legislatures and governorships. If they had thought policy was the glue that has so far held their electorate together, they'd have come up with a platform of policy rather than making their 2020 national convention simply a love fest for Donald Trump. But they were out of practice on policy... because their policy had become what they are, which is just overt obstruction of Democratic Party proposals.

The Rs focused on how many more votes Trump got in 2020 than in 2016... failing to acknowledge meanwhile what it had meant that they lost the House in 2018 and past that experienced plenty blue drift in seats they actually managed to retain. And failing to acknowledge that where they'd picked up votes in 2016, they couldn't hold enough of those same electoral votes in 2020. And on top of that, they lost Georgia three times: the presidential vote and the two US Senate races as well.

The GOP response to all that was to double down on their 2020 convention circus of "Trump cult as platform" by either supporting or averting eyes from Trump-incited attempts to overturn the Biden-Harris election. Then then further underwrote Trump via the RNC's winter meeting by re-electing avid Trump supporter Ronna McDaniel (Romney's niece, no less!) as their national party chair and by appointing a Trump supporter as her deputy.

So for the GOP's current national and official leadership except for Liz Cheney, it's still all about Trump... and same for some of the state level GOP committees, and yet Americans clearly do favor stuff like the infrastructure bill, fixing loopholes in gun acquisition, repairing rather than ditching the Affordable Care Act. Go figure.

It's alarming to realize that the GOP see they are coming up short on policy and that their response is not like 2012 where they at first tried outreach to Hispanics and Asians. Then came Trump and the fluke of his appeal at a time when both right and left populists were unhappy with traditional candidates. This time around, having lost the House, Senate and White House, the Rs seem to be saying their policy will be to make it harder for Americans to vote, especially where it might seem like those Americans might continue to drift blue.

"If you can't win the vote, suppress it" doesn't seem like the catchiest sort of bumpersticker really, And they don't know what to do about the threat that Trump might split the party if he can't keep the GOP's formal approval of his possible future candidacy. The irony is that Trump never liked the constraints of the presidency and right now is only milking his fan base for as much money as he can for as long as he can. His party may now be less the party of NO than the party of NO BALLS.

LIz Cheney has more courage than any of the rest of that lot. She should not be discounted, either. The RNC and the benighted state committees like the one in Arizona might discover that there's a silent majority out there in Republican voter-land, but it's not aligned with Donald Trump any more. They're ripe for a saner choice, one that has some sound policy ideas for ordinary Americans. Meanwhile Joe Biden dances the line trying not to alienate too many of his own party's progressives in order to court a potential swing vote from "moderate conservatives" for 2022 and 2024. It will be interesting to see how that works out.
I think you pointed out one major strategy Biden is already utilizing. If the GOP's main platform is to oppose any Democratic policy suggestion, then all Biden has to do is push policies that are net popular. Biden's approval is - I think - a manifestation of this approach. He cannot win it all, but he can absolutely keep things net positive. This is a very simple strategy that also forces the GOP to stick to unpopular stances thus limit their ability to get new voters on their side. This is also critical to keep the blue voters who didn't vote for Hillary and had limited enthusiasm for Biden due to the expectation of lukewarm policies from both.
 

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I think you pointed out one major strategy Biden is already utilizing. If the GOP's main platform is to oppose any Democratic policy suggestion, then all Biden has to do is push policies that are net popular. Biden's approval is - I think - a manifestation of this approach. He cannot win it all, but he can absolutely keep things net positive. This is a very simple strategy that also forces the GOP to stick to unpopular stances thus limit their ability to get new voters on their side. This is also critical to keep the blue voters who didn't vote for Hillary and had limited enthusiasm for Biden due to the expectation of lukewarm policies from both.

Republican politicians are pretty pissed off Trump didn’t push infrastructure, wildly popular and needed. As a result they are now in the position to try to block it because that’s all they know how to do. Good luck with that…also blocking job opportunities in the process.
 

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Republican politicians are pretty pissed off Trump didn’t push infrastructure, wildly popular and needed. As a result they are now in the position to try to block it because that’s all they know how to do. Good luck with that…also blocking job opportunities in the process.
Statements from the GOP after Biden’s infrastructure speech really bugged me. They said “roads and bridges only make up 6% of this infrastructure plan” - as if roads and bridges are the only infrastructure in America? This isn’t 1950 all over again. Infrastructure is WAY more than roads and bridges. Just ask anybody from Houston if ignoring public transportation and other infrastructure needs and just making more roads is working for them. Civil Engineers actually say Biden’s bill didn’t do enough. What a shame. If Trump had $10 trillion for infrastructure, they would have signed onto it regardless of the cost.

 

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Statements from the GOP after Biden’s infrastructure speech really bugged me. They said “roads and bridges only make up 6% of this infrastructure plan” - as if roads and bridges are the only infrastructure in America? This isn’t 1950 all over again. Infrastructure is WAY more than roads and bridges. Just ask anybody from Houston if ignoring public transportation and other infrastructure needs and just making more roads is working for them. Civil Engineers actually say Biden’s bill didn’t do enough. What a shame. If Trump had $10 trillion for infrastructure, they would have signed onto it regardless of the cost.

Some republicans don't even know what the word infrastructure means...
 

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Calling any weapon an assault rifle is the most offensive thing you can say to gun nuts apparently.

You can't even call an assault rifle an assault rifle. A gun manufacture could make a model called The Definitive Ultra Assault Rifle Mark 1 and second amendment nuts would say that doesn't mean it's an assault rifle.
 
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