Manchin’s dirty empire

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His claim about eliminating fossil fuels making climate change worse is not dubious. It’s ludicrous. It’s a flat-out lie.

The only reason I can imagine that he labels himself a Democrat is to get the union voters in WV.
 

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Apologies for being too lazy to post sources here....

But I read there are already more renewable energy jobs in the US than there are fossil fuel jobs. I understand if we killed fossil fuel jobs these people would still be out of a job, but the renewable energy industry is far from a niche boutique industry that couldn't employ these same people at some point.

These coal jobs are actually a tiny percentage of his state's employers, but the way we hear it they make it sound like most of the state would be unemployed if these jobs were killed. The state would probably lose more jobs if they closed all their Walmarts,
 

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Normally this would go under TFG, but since this is so specific...

TFG Joe Manchin

https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1433643978226765825/

Dems need to wake the 'F' up, realize the guy is 'D' in name only, instead he's a prima donna who needs to be f'n catered to, or he needs another 'D' initiative to sink so he gets his ass kissed again. Stop counting on this guy, and start depending on him to be another 'r' impediment. Joe is for the 'Joe' party, learn it already dems. Counting on Manchin, is like counting on Susan Collins to tell the truth intentionally. Both are stupid ideas.
 

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Normally this would go under TFG, but since this is so specific...

TFG Joe Manchin

https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1433643978226765825/

Dems need to wake the 'F' up, realize the guy is 'D' in name only, instead he's a prima donna who needs to be f'n catered to, or he needs another 'D' initiative to sink so he gets his ass kissed again. Stop counting on this guy, and start depending on him to be another 'r' impediment. Joe is for the 'Joe' party, learn it already dems. Counting on Manchin, is like counting on Susan Collins to tell the truth intentionally. Both are stupid ideas.
They need more Democratic Senators. It won’t be easy with so many states being very rural and population becoming more concentrated in a few large cities. If it was 55-45, Manchin would be a complete afterthought. The dude totally has Ted Cruz disease. It’s 100% about him all the time and he loves it.
 

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Dems need to wake the 'F' up, realize the guy is 'D' in name only, instead he's a prima donna who needs to be f'n catered to, or he needs another 'D' initiative to sink so he gets his ass kissed again. Stop counting on this guy, and start depending on him to be another 'r' impediment. Joe is for the 'Joe' party, learn it already dems. Counting on Manchin, is like counting on Susan Collins to tell the truth intentionally. Both are stupid ideas.

Hence why Republicans don't like RINO's.

If you look at all politicians as shitbags, things become much clearer.
 

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Hence why Republicans don't like RINO's.

If you look at all politicians as shitbags, things become much clearer.

I don't know if this changed over time, but it seems RINO is only used on Republican politicians who don't agree with and support Trump 100% and it has very little to do with traditional Republican values. Or is that just the way my side of the media is portraying it?
 

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I don't know if this changed over time, but it seems RINO is only used on Republican politicians who don't agree with and support Trump 100% and it has very little to do with traditional Republican values. Or is that just the way my side of the media is portraying it?
Did the idea of RINO exist before 2015? If so, who were some of those that earned the label?
 

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I don't know if this changed over time, but it seems RINO is only used on Republican politicians who don't agree with and support Trump 100% and it has very little to do with traditional Republican values. Or is that just the way my side of the media is portraying it?

No, RINO's predate Trump. They may have risen to prominence under him, but they have been around before. They are the successor to the "me too" Republicans from the 30's and 40's.
 

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No, RINO's predate Trump. They may have risen to prominence under him, but they have been around before. They are the successor to the "me too" Republicans from the 30's and 40's.

These days, RINOs are mostly Republicans that won't bend the knee for Trump. Hence why all the previous GOP luminaries such as Mitt Romney, John McCain, and Liz Cheney are now considered leftists.

You can't even call them a conservative party these days. They're now the party of Trump, right leaning traditional family value warriors extraordinaire.
 

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No, RINO's predate Trump. They may have risen to prominence under him, but they have been around before. They are the successor to the "me too" Republicans from the 30's and 40's.


Got it. I think Trump made it all about him. Is there anybody being called a RINO now and it's in no relationship to Trump?
 

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Got it. I think Trump made it all about him. Is there anybody being called a RINO now and it's in no relationship to Trump?

Given that your average Trump fanatic can't even list what's considered conservative policy these days, I'd say it has more to do with loyalty to the man than any ideological stance beyond that.

That they're running around saying "it's not about free trade, it's about fair trade" should be warning #1 for any old fashioned conservative that they're no longer a part of the same party.
 

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Did the idea of RINO exist before 2015? If so, who were some of those that earned the label?
It definitely did. Up until McCain made the mistake of choosing Palin as his running mate, I was strongly considering voting for him. A friend told me he was a RINO and shouldn’t be running on the R ticket at all. 🙄
 
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