The (non) climate change initiatives in the latest bill

Chew Toy McCoy

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In simple terms if somebody wants to lease land for a windfarm then the government needs to open an equal amount of land to the fossil fuel industry. What a load of shit. We could quadruple our efforts and investment in renewable energy and it won’t amount to squat if we aren’t also reducing fossil fuels.

The only possible bright spot in this is the fossil fuel industry has found it more profitable to restrict supply and gouge us. That takes zero investment other than maintenance. So even if more land was available it doesn’t mean they are going to actually do anything with it.

Oh, and nice "most ever spent in history on climate change" propaganda. The starting bar of close to nothing isn't exactly hard to break history with.
 

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We could quadruple our efforts and investment in renewable energy and it won’t amount to squat if we aren’t also reducing fossil fuels.

True. And there's plenty smoke and mirrors going on even in good faith efforts to "divest" from the fossil fuel industry. Private equity firms are picking up the polluters as large investors like pension funds to try shift away from direct holdings in the nonrenewable energy sector,


How private equity firms get around EPA regulations is that those rules are aimed at energy suppliers themselves, and the hedge funds are not per se utility operators. Fabulous loophole.

But despite the fact that the Gavin Plant was ranked in August as the sixth most polluting power plant in the country and was rebuked by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency for its “storage ponds” earlier this month, the $500 million in funding has not been part of those reviews, because Blackstone Capital Partners VII is not a fossil fuel company. Pension trustees and divestment proponents have only recently started to grapple with the question of how to align private equity investments with their climate goals.

“If you’re getting out of fossil fuels on the public equity side through these reviews, you’ve identified that they’re risky companies,” said Richard Brooks, climate finance director at Stand.earth, a divestment advocacy organization. “It doesn’t make sense to then add risk on the private side by investing in the same types of companies who are operating in the oil and gas sector.”

Moving right along to transportation: In best-selling vehicles in the USA, one has to scroll through a dozen gas-powered options before hitting a hybrid model, and all but two of that dozen are SUVs or trucks, not sedans. Fuel economy regulations remain a sticking point for lobbying by both the oil and gas lobby and US vehicle manufacturers. So let's see. We don't want to subsidize EV purchases enough to park them in every garage, but we also don't want to make nextgen gas-powered vehicles more fuel-efficient.


Well let's move to the global stage and see how climate change mitigation is going. Or... maybe not.


This year's summit was in Egypt (a producer and exporter of natural gas), and many countries decried the lack of effort to get more done than just establish a fund to help poor countries try to phase out some fossil fuel usage. Don't look for more or better from next year: that climate change summit will be held in the United Arab Emirates, which just announced plans to invest $150bn in inceased oil and gas production over the next five years.

 

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The entire topic of climate change and how we are handling it (not...really) really makes me wonder if capitalistic systems and influences will simply lead us right into complete ruin.

It's amazing how much of "not doing enough" is always because "it will cost too much" or "there's no money (or not enough) to be made doing it that way"

It's like ... umm... wait until the costs are eventually borne from doing not enough for long enough
(not just financial costs by the way)

It's so depressing to see how short sighted humanity is, so often
 

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The entire topic of climate change and how we are handling it (not...really) really makes me wonder if capitalistic systems and influences will simply lead us right into complete ruin.

It's amazing how much of "not doing enough" is always because "it will cost too much" or "there's no money (or not enough) to be made doing it that way"

Capitalism as it’s implemented has some assumptions and holes that create problems:

- Costs need to be properly internalized for “true pricing” to exist. If a cost can be externalized (or socialized), then we lose the “true pricing” and our ability to judge options is now distorted. We generally suck at pushing towards true pricing, and thus live with distorted comparisons.
- It is assumed that resources can be finite under supply and demand, but the impact of a resource becoming depleted is not considered in terms of costs. So we suck at the ability to plan ahead when it comes to looming cliffs, because those cliffs basically don’t factor in on anything Capitalism uses as measurements.
- One you get into the Libertarian strain especially, it’s assumed people can be considered rational actors. Clearly we ain’t.

Some examples:

- Coal power plants price power based on the cost of labor and materials. But the costs associated with the waste are not generally part of the calculation. The fly ash that gets sent into the air is a socialized cost. Bottom ash that gets dumped improperly is a socialized cost. So coal power’s price per kWh is lower than it’s true price generally should be. This distorts our ability to judge if coal is truly “cheaper” than other forms of power.
- On the above point, CO2 waste from industry in general is another socialized cost. So anything that emits CO2 waste is underpriced as well.
- Regulations can made to force costs to be internalized, but we also face regulatory capture as companies seek to externalize costs whenever possible. So the fight becomes over how to define what makes up the cost of a good, via subsidies (of which infrastructure is one), or regulations (like the clean air act).
- Speaking of infrastructure, our choices in how we develop infrastructure restricts options. Creating car dependent infrastructure can create costs on society by requiring the use of certain technology/goods, to the exclusion of other options. So now we have a distorted market because a car is a requirement to be a productive adult. Even though it is probably the most expensive way to handle transportation (when talking about total costs paid by people on the whole).

This is not a defense of Capitalism. It’s more to point out that implementing ideal Capitalism where resource depletion is handled better, and true pricing is not just a fantasy is hard because people. So I tend to not believe pure Capitalism is something we could ever achieve. Too many seek to distort pricing in ways that create problems like we have now, or we don’t even learn what costs have been externalized until much later.
 

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So I tend to not believe pure Capitalism is something we could ever achieve. Too many seek to distort pricing in ways that create problems like we have now, or we don’t even learn what costs have been externalized until much later.

Agree with you totally. Very well said (entire post)
 
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