The reckoning begins... facing criminal charges for January 6th.

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I'm not saying it will be impossible to find a good paying job, just restricted.

Of course there's always Wall St. They give zero fucks. In fact they've been completely removed from reality for at least 2 years. There's a good chance they've never even heard of this Trump fella.
There are plenty of business people who don’t follow politics closely, but I assure you that the coup attempt has broken through here in the UK so I’d be very surprised if it hasn’t broken through in America.

Thats one reason why it’s such a strategic misplay by the Trump team, this will be something that tarnishes their reputation even with businesspeople who don’t follow politics.
 
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There are plenty of business people who don’t follow politics closely, but I assure you that the coup attempt has broken through here in the UK so I’d be very surprised if it hasn’t broken through in America.

Thats one reason why it’s such a strategic misplay by the Trump team, this will be something that tarnishes their reputation even with businesspeople who don’t follow politics.
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I think this image will be the the legacy of Trumpism and will take much much more effort to ignore, than just to avoid anybody even remotely involved.
 

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I guess since Trump didn’t specifically say “break the windows at the Capitol,” he bears no responsibility for what happened on the 6th? The logic of Republican congressmen.

Rep. McClintock of California regales us with his incredible insight:



Trump supporters have stopped listening to him? Is this guy on crack? Just wow.
Sure. It's as good of an excuse as doing 200 MPH on your Ferrari then blaming the car when you hit a concrete wall.
 

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The President of the USA was inciting "patriots" to whom he has lied and is still lying about the election, revving them up to go down to the Capitol, adding that "If you don't fight like hell, we're not going to have a country,"

And what the hell does McClintock think Trump supporters made of that exhortation?

Further, Trump said this knowing all our federal lawmakers and the VP were in there. When the insurrectionists broke in, some of them were yelling "where's Nancy, where's Nancy?", referring to the Speaker of the House, and they were not looking to converse with her. And the security was woefully inadequate and there were aides having to put themselves in danger to protect their lawmaker bosses. There were Republicans in there too, it wasn't just a collection of "librul Dems". It was the entirety of our Congress and their aides and regular staff workers plus all the employees who maintain the building and is facilities


And yet knowing all this, the Republican whips merely shipped out their talking points and the RNC national and state honchos have been in Florida partying down and re-electing McDaniel to chair the RNC again and putting in a Trump guy as her deputy, signalling that Trump's still the nominal head of their party. And they listened to McDaniel rant on about how we're not having another election like 2020 and the whole focus of the GOP now will be to try to revise out or challenge state laws that make it so much easier to register and to vote.

Meanwhile people who work in the Capitol are traumatized and the groundskeepers are building big fences around the whole complex and the RNC is brushing it all off as unfortunate and now turning on the Dems and saying that talk of impeachment or 25A removal are divisive. I think it's pretty divisive for a president to try to overturn the will of the people in a certified election that he lost.

How can this party rationalize what has happened to them and to the country at the hands of their guy? He has lost them the House, now also the White House d the Senate, and brought shame on the party over Trump's incitement of insurrection and his apparent unwillingness to interfere with the attack on the Capitol by summoning requested National Guard units.

People inside the Capitol with top tier phone number resources were begging for help during the incursion, from the justice department, the army, the Department of Defense... and the RNC is blowing off Trump's "rhetoric" as more Trump being Trump and suggesting anyway maybe it was mostly down to BLM or antifa, and signing up for another go with Trump after he leaves office . This in the face of self-described "patriots" taking photos of themselves for bragging rights of having busted into House and Senate chambers and offices

We have never had something like this happen in the history of the Republic.

Citizens of the USA can't afford to sit still for the GOP's usual tactic in the Trump era, their blatant Big Lie with a shrug if you don't buy the talking point. They have nearly lost their grip on power now and there must be consequences for the seditious manner in which they have tried to retain it at any cost.

In my wildest fantasy I want the whole RNC locked up for blowing this off. Those vile liars are as bad as Trump because their reputation for lying is not quite as bad as his so they might even come off as credible in alleging it was all down to BLM or antifa, This is so painful and wrong. It's not about vengeance for me, it's about just punishment of a malevolent rogue of a President. It's necessary to make it clear no President can do what he has done and escape the Constitution's heaviest consequences for abusing such great powers

I'd give anything to know what's been going on in the minds of the Supreme Court justices appointed by Trump as they watched this failed not-quite-coup roll out. And Roberts, wow., likely praying his court doesn't have to get involved in anything further to do with the manner or timing of Donald Trump's exit from his already nearly catastrophic presidency,
This post was a great read; thanks.
 

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I guess since Trump didn’t specifically say “break the windows at the Capitol,” he bears no responsibility for what happened on the 6th? The logic of Republican congressmen.
I don't know what the legal definition of incitement is, but to me it should be similar to the qualifications for libel, in that you knew or should have known what the consequences of your speech would be.
 

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This post was a great read; thanks.

It belonged in a large TL;DR spoiler tag but they probably don't make them that big. I can tell you today that the Honduran coffee I got for Christmas is deceptively light and smooth but it apparently has a quarter-life of about 36 hours.

Moving right along....



Mind you Grassley is the president pro tempore of the Senate, third in line in the formal succession to the presidency and so a guy with his own security detail (same as the VP, and Pelosi the Speaker of the House as she is second in the succession).

He was in the Senate chamber as were most Senators when the incursion had proceeded to the point where the VP's detail entered to remove the Vice President to a safer location in the building.

By constitutional provision then it was Grassley who took the VP's place so the formal proceedings of the day could continue. Not long after that Grassley's detail escorted him out also, the proceedings were suspended and the Senate chamber was secured from within. With guns drawn in case of a breach, the capitol police told people to shelter in place in the chamber and that they could not leave out of concern for their own safety.

From a USA today chronology of the breach of the Capitol:


For Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va., seeing Pence suddenly leave his post was "very confusing when it was happening," he said. "All of a sudden, the vice president was escorted out of the room. That told all us something was up."

Nothing was said. Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, took Pence's place for a few minutes but soon was removed from the chamber. Kaine said one Senate colleague tried to bolt from the room but was told he shouldn't leave.

"There were a lot of emotions," Kaine said. "I had colleagues who were afraid, I had colleagues who were sad. I was just pissed off. I was so pissed off that this is what it's come to with this guy (Trump) and this country in this moment in time."

He added, “You can tell the way I'm talking, I don't usually curse, I'm still furious.”

Yet today GOP Senator Grassley reports he's merely "disturbed" by accounts of a death threat against the Iowa Democratic Party, and in the same tweet encourages that we come together as Americans.

I'm all for Americans realizing we have common ground, but never without first some accountability for this terrible culmination of four yers of Republicans enabling its inevitable progression.

The GOP is trying to skip past that, calling for us to sit down and sing around the campfire together. Now that idea when floated by the GOP is in itself is a crock: McConnell swore whether he's majority leader or not in the 117th Congress, he would do all to obstruct the Biden administration's legislative agenda no matter what's in it.

These Republican "leaders" like McConnell, McCarthy, Grassley, Graham (never mind the renegades Cruz and Hawley) all need to see a shrink if not a special prosecutor. They are fractured, trying to run multiple versions of their own party's alleged operating system, eating their own next instructions. Their copies of the Constitution must be in the shredder meanwhile.

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Past that they are living on the back of a lie they cannot figure out how to safely renounce, since now their Trump-incited base literally wants to kill their Republican officials too, not just Democrats, if the GOP will not support this now seditious Trump.
 

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It belonged in a large TL;DR spoiler tag but they probably don't make them that big. I can tell you today that the Honduran coffee I got for Christmas is deceptively light and smooth but it apparently has a quarter-life of about 36 hours.

Moving right along....



Mind you Grassley is the president pro tempore of the Senate, third in line in the formal succession to the presidency and so a guy with his own security detail (same as the VP, and Pelosi the Speaker of the House as she is second in the succession).

He was in the Senate chamber as were most Senators when the incursion had proceeded to the point where the VP's detail entered to remove the Vice President to a safer location in the building.

By constitutional provision then it was Grassley who took the VP's place so the formal proceedings of the day could continue. Not long after that Grassley's detail escorted him out also, the proceedings were suspended and the Senate chamber was secured from within. With guns drawn in case of a breach, the capitol police told people to shelter in place in the chamber and that they could not leave out of concern for their own safety.

From a USA today chronology of the breach of the Capitol:




Yet today GOP Senator Grassley reports he's merely "disturbed" by accounts of a death threat against the Iowa Democratic Party, and in the same tweet encourages that we come together as Americans.

I'm all for Americans realizing we have common ground, but never without first some accountability for this terrible culmination of four yers of Republicans enabling its inevitable progression.

The GOP is trying to skip past that, calling for us to sit down and sing around the campfire together. Now that idea when floated by the GOP is in itself is a crock: McConnell swore whether he's majority leader or not in the 117th Congress, he would do all to obstruct the Biden administration's legislative agenda no matter what's in it.

These Republican "leaders" like McConnell, McCarthy, Grassley, Graham (never mind the renegades Cruz and Hawley) all need to see a shrink if not a special prosecutor. They are fractured, trying to run multiple versions of their own party's alleged operating system, eating their own next instructions. Their copies of the Constitution must be in the shredder meanwhile.

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Past that they are living on the back of a lie they cannot figure out how to safely renounce, since now their Trump-incited base literally wants to kill their Republican officials too, not just Democrats, if the GOP will not support this now seditious Trump.
It was interesting to read that there is also a pecking order within the Senate when it comes to protecting them from violent mobs. They ushered Pence out, then Grassley a few minutes later. What possible reason did they have for NOT evacuating the chamber at the first sign of trouble?

Pence is safe, let the rest of the senators be killed by an angry armed mob? WTF?!?!?!?
 

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It was interesting to read that there is also a pecking order within the Senate when it comes to protecting them from violent mobs. They ushered Pence out, then Grassley a few minutes later. What possible reason did they have for NOT evacuating the chamber at the first sign of trouble?

Pence is safe, let the rest of the senators be killed by an angry armed mob? WTF?!?!?!?

Well that's because those two guys are the VP and the president pro tempore, and they are #1 and #3 in line of succession to the Presidency if the president cannot serve. #2 is Speaker of the House, Pelosi, who was in the other chamber and being hustled out of there to wherever they take those top officials.

I don't have a problem with Pence and Grassley having been removed, that was necessary protocol in the circumstances. I have a problem with why the Capitol Police didn't have their act together, didn't even coordinate with DoD with that special group the latter had stashed over at Andrews to just be on call if needed. They never organized who would call whom if they wanted to activate that. WTF?

And the Guard thing, who knows what happened there by time half of congress used their phones and contact lists while sheltering in place and tried to get SOMEONE to get SOMEONE with authority to help the DC mayor or the Capitol Police get some help over there.

Mostly I have a huge problem with the Republicans trying to blow it off, should I even say "especially" since their own aisles of the Congress were also under attack? I know Mitch only cares about the judiciary now but the GOP seems not even to give a damn about an entire branch of government when it is assembled under one roof --sitting ducks-- and a rogue executive revs up a base ahead of time and then exhorts them to go down there and "fight like hell or we won't have a country any more".

Regardless of whether there was one coordinator of the insurrection --and that seems unlikely since you can look at social media and see all these idiots jockeying for attention and showing off knowledge of what to do when and etc., with various suggestions-- what happened on January 6 was incited by Trump: it was an attack on the entire succession to his own current presidency AND was mounted in aid of preventing the legitimate accession by Biden to that office on January 20th.

You don't barge into the US Capitol carrying stuff like zip ties if you're just gonna rip off some Congressman's coffee mug as a souvenir of having been there without an invitation. They were trying to find the House Speaker, Nancy Pelosi. They put up a gallows outside and were calling to hang Vice President Pence since he went against Trump's expressed wish to refuse to accept the election results.

Republicans are not really so stupid as to think of this as just street theatre, or as a protected demo of unhappiness about an election outcome either. So they are either complicit now or else it's time to step out and renounce the Big Lie about the election and renounce the seditious among them. And impeach and remove Trump. And expel the elected officials in Congress who will not renounce their support of the lie and the attempt to overturn the election. And clean house in the executive branch and its agencies.

Big jobs list there. We need attention to covid and the economy but Biden's good at delegating so it's time for American government to chew gum and walk at the same time.
 

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The President of the USA was inciting "patriots" to whom he has lied and is still lying about the election, revving them up to go down to the Capitol, adding that "If you don't fight like hell, we're not going to have a country,"

And what the hell does McClintock think Trump supporters made of that exhortation?

Further, Trump said this knowing all our federal lawmakers and the VP were in there. When the insurrectionists broke in, some of them were yelling "where's Nancy, where's Nancy?", referring to the Speaker of the House, and they were not looking to converse with her. And the security was woefully inadequate and there were aides having to put themselves in danger to protect their lawmaker bosses. There were Republicans in there too, it wasn't just a collection of "librul Dems". It was the entirety of our Congress and their aides and regular staff workers plus all the employees who maintain the building and is facilities


And yet knowing all this, the Republican whips merely shipped out their talking points and the RNC national and state honchos have been in Florida partying down and re-electing McDaniel to chair the RNC again and putting in a Trump guy as her deputy, signalling that Trump's still the nominal head of their party. And they listened to McDaniel rant on about how we're not having another election like 2020 and the whole focus of the GOP now will be to try to revise out or challenge state laws that make it so much easier to register and to vote.

Meanwhile people who work in the Capitol are traumatized and the groundskeepers are building big fences around the whole complex and the RNC is brushing it all off as unfortunate and now turning on the Dems and saying that talk of impeachment or 25A removal are divisive. I think it's pretty divisive for a president to try to overturn the will of the people in a certified election that he lost.

How can this party rationalize what has happened to them and to the country at the hands of their guy? He has lost them the House, now also the White House d the Senate, and brought shame on the party over Trump's incitement of insurrection and his apparent unwillingness to interfere with the attack on the Capitol by summoning requested National Guard units.

People inside the Capitol with top tier phone number resources were begging for help during the incursion, from the justice department, the army, the Department of Defense... and the RNC is blowing off Trump's "rhetoric" as more Trump being Trump and suggesting anyway maybe it was mostly down to BLM or antifa, and signing up for another go with Trump after he leaves office . This in the face of self-described "patriots" taking photos of themselves for bragging rights of having busted into House and Senate chambers and offices

We have never had something like this happen in the history of the Republic.

Citizens of the USA can't afford to sit still for the GOP's usual tactic in the Trump era, their blatant Big Lie with a shrug if you don't buy the talking point. They have nearly lost their grip on power now and there must be consequences for the seditious manner in which they have tried to retain it at any cost.

In my wildest fantasy I want the whole RNC locked up for blowing this off. Those vile liars are as bad as Trump because their reputation for lying is not quite as bad as his so they might even come off as credible in alleging it was all down to BLM or antifa, This is so painful and wrong. It's not about vengeance for me, it's about just punishment of a malevolent rogue of a President. It's necessary to make it clear no President can do what he has done and escape the Constitution's heaviest consequences for abusing such great powers

I'd give anything to know what's been going on in the minds of the Supreme Court justices appointed by Trump as they watched this failed not-quite-coup roll out. And Roberts, wow., likely praying his court doesn't have to get involved in anything further to do with the manner or timing of Donald Trump's exit from his already nearly catastrophic presidency,

Agree with @SuperMatt; an outstanding post.
 

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I saw a piece in the economist that many spineless amoeba republicans politicians are waiting to see middle America’s response to Wednesday events to decide what to do. This is what happens when you have lost your moral compass.

I dont recall this being shared - a fascinating view into the mindset of some of those that participated

 

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One thing I've only realized that I am oh so grateful for.

ANTIFA, BLM, anti 45ers didn't show up in numbers. They weren't out there as some counter force, it seems they stayed away to let the police & 45ers have their way.

Which is what has made things so difficult for the apologists when they tried to claim known 45ers were actually ANTIFA. It's hard to blame your way out of this, if favorite targets stayed home to watch it on tv and go "Nah fam I'm good".

So the efforts instead have to be made to try and make the woman shot & killed as a martyr. They just don't mention her martyrdom is based on illegally trying to enter a federal building while congress is in session, to do what?

Those that lived are getting creative with their versions of what they were photographed doing. Remember the guy in paramilitary gear leaping with the zip ties? Funny story...

A man who was photographed carrying zip ties during the riot at the U.S. Capitol has said he regrets holding them and claimed he picked them up off the floor and intended to give them to law enforcement.

The rioter—identified as retired Air Force lieutenant colonel Larry Rendall Brock Jr. by The New Yorker in collaboration with John Scott-Railton, a senior researcher at Citizen Lab at the University of Toronto's Munk School—also said he wore tactical gear because he "didn't want to get stabbed or hurt."

Brock is based in Texas and a graduate of the state's Air Force Academy. He was attached to the 706th Fighter Squadron.

Photographs appear show the man wearing tactical gear, including a helmet, and at one point holding zip ties. Other images appear to show another individual holding cable ties.
He FOUND THEM ON THE GROUND! Ohhhh! Okay. He was joining his other merry band of LARPers to avoid getting stabbed or hurt.

BY WHOM?!!!! 😫

Fellow 45 enthusiasts?!!

Lock these mutha F'ers up on both FEDERAL & LOCAL charges, that way if 45 wants to try some shit they still rot!
 

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One thing I've only realized that I am oh so grateful for.

ANTIFA, BLM, anti 45ers didn't show up in numbers. They weren't out there as some counter force, it seems they stayed away to let the police & 45ers have their way.

Which is what has made things so difficult for the apologists when they tried to claim known 45ers were actually ANTIFA. It's hard to blame your way out of this, if favorite targets stayed home to watch it on tv and go "Nah fam I'm good".

So the efforts instead have to be made to try and make the woman shot & killed as a martyr. They just don't mention her martyrdom is based on illegally trying to enter a federal building while congress is in session, to do what?

Those that lived are getting creative with their versions of what they were photographed doing. Remember the guy in paramilitary gear leaping with the zip ties? Funny story...



He FOUND THEM ON THE GROUND! Ohhhh! Okay. He was joining his other merry band of LARPers to avoid getting stabbed or hurt.

BY WHOM?!!!! 😫

Fellow 45 enthusiasts?!!

Lock these mutha F'ers up on both FEDERAL & LOCAL charges, that way if 45 wants to try some shit they still rot!

Looks like some of them are going to the slam on something besides littering charges. Not going to do 2 weekends in the county jail or community service for domestic terrorism.

 

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One thing I've only realized that I am oh so grateful for.

ANTIFA, BLM, anti 45ers didn't show up in numbers. They weren't out there as some counter force, it seems they stayed away to let the police & 45ers have their way.

Which is what has made things so difficult for the apologists when they tried to claim known 45ers were actually ANTIFA. It's hard to blame your way out of this, if favorite targets stayed home to watch it on tv and go "Nah fam I'm good".

So the efforts instead have to be made to try and make the woman shot & killed as a martyr. They just don't mention her martyrdom is based on illegally trying to enter a federal building while congress is in session, to do what?

Those that lived are getting creative with their versions of what they were photographed doing. Remember the guy in paramilitary gear leaping with the zip ties? Funny story...



He FOUND THEM ON THE GROUND! Ohhhh! Okay. He was joining his other merry band of LARPers to avoid getting stabbed or hurt.

BY WHOM?!!!! 😫

Fellow 45 enthusiasts?!!

Lock these mutha F'ers up on both FEDERAL & LOCAL charges, that way if 45 wants to try some shit they still rot!
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