Zack Snyder’s “Justice League” coming to HBO Max March 18

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This will be interesting. There will be much taken out (every frame of Joss Whedon’s footage), yet the film will be one four hour epic. That indicates a lot of new (or previously unseen) content that can’t help but make it a different movie.

It’s set for March 18, but so far only in the United States.


Looking forward to it, although Thursday is a weird-ass day of the week to release a movie.
 

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Oh come on. 😄

With so much of the film being new, previously unseen material, I have to believe it'll be better than the theatrical version.
 

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No. No.

The Snyderverese is just something that some coked up DC Exec must have agreed to because they were in some photos with Bryan Singer.

Who thought this was what DC comics is about, I have no clue, but it wasn't flying with the decade of continuity Marvel carefully built.
 

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No. No.

The Snyderverese is just something that some coked up DC Exec must have agreed to because they were in some photos with Bryan Singer.




Who thought this was what DC comics is about, I have no clue, but it wasn't flying with the decade of continuity Marvel carefully built.
I’ve been extremely disappointed with the recent DC comics movie adaptations. I like DC better than Marvel, but they seem unable to make decent movies as of late. I remember reading the infinity gauntlet series years ago and being totally unimpressed with the silly story about magic gems that can control the universe. It was also totally lacking in drama, as it never seemed the fate of any characters was in jeopardy. Compare that with Crisis on Infinite Earths, which was truly an epic IMHO. But infinity gauntlet ended up as a multi-movie series that people loved, and Crisis got a cheesy TV adaptation.
 

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I’ve been extremely disappointed with the recent DC comics movie adaptations. I like DC better than Marvel, but they seem unable to make decent movies as of late. I remember reading the infinity gauntlet series years ago and being totally unimpressed with the silly story about magic gems that can control the universe. It was also totally lacking in drama, as it never seemed the fate of any characters was in jeopardy. Compare that with Crisis on Infinite Earths, which was truly an epic IMHO. But infinity gauntlet ended up as a multi-movie series that people loved, and Crisis got a cheesy TV adaptation.
DC & Marvel are in weird places media wise. I wouldn't recommend much currently story wise amongst either company as they've become completely enthralled with having the next big comic book event that inspires a film. When it comes to film or TV, Marvel kills it film wise, DC TV & Anime. Some of DC's best stuff has been there animated fare.


Since the success of Miles Morales Into the Spider Verse, THAT is the point of importance in DC movies. It was very good.

Directly inspired by the comics, Justice League: The New Frontier is DC comics


It could be because of the nature of the format, but it's the polar opposite of Snyder's darker Ayn Rand inspired version of DC comics, leaning into Superman as messiah message. JL: The New Frontier is the questions of heroes, and heroes uniting.

DC & Snyder wanted to jump right to Thanos without any buildup, so they went right to the original Thanos in Darkseid.

One of DC's biggest writers was so pissed off when they saw what Superman does with Zod, that it was a betrayal of the character. I didn't quite think that, but I can see how it begins the path Snyder wanted to go that is the opposite of what DC's comics are currently. DC's films are off course because it's film execs trying to duplicate what Marvel has already done. Their biggest successes are when they don't try to do what Marvel has done ( Wonder Woman & Shazam ), and just try to make entertaining movies.

What Snyder was doing I have no clue, except perhaps some fetish stuff.

One of my favorites.

DC has a bunch of animated stuff that my friends really enjoy. Once again, I believe it's because they aren't trying to copy anyone.


On the flip, Marvel's animated fares are just baaaaaddddd, but who cares with their films and now new series.

In case you've never seen this
 

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Good read on the Snyder version here. https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/02/the-true-story-of-justice-league-snyder-cut

It’s going to be in 4:3 aspect ratio. He has a reason but geeze, I was already not going to enjoy it. He’s daring me to not watch it.
On Twitter they keep promising everything but the sun.

With the Jared Leto Joker / Jesus pic.

To Green Lantern trending because they now promise a cameo at the end that will blow fans minds.


Which led to jokes about a Ryan Reynolds cameo, to guessing we get Hawkman.
I say we get a cameo with Reynolds being killed and Diggle Green Lantern showing up. But, not likely

At this point, the only thing they haven't promised is that gourmet buttered popcorn will be delivered thru the screen. WB is investing quite a bit into this, so the bronies have to step up and make this an internet Disney+ worthy breaking spectacle.

Notice, I didn't say it had to be good.
 

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Good read on the Snyder version here. https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/02/the-true-story-of-justice-league-snyder-cut

It’s going to be in 4:3 aspect ratio. He has a reason but geeze, I was already not going to enjoy it. He’s daring me to not watch it.
I was disappointed in that too. I guess that's IMAX format. (Also old school TV.)

Elsewhere I read that Snyder's thinking on that was, "Superman needs to look heroic. He's a vertical hero. The aspect ratio should be tailored for that." I think he's the only one thinking that way. The rest of us are like, "Yeah, what about the big battle scenes and sweeping landscapes?"

I mean, I'm gonna be watching it and it's going to have the same aspect ratio as my DVDs of Green Acres. 🤨

I do have to agree with Snyder on this part:

Initially, says Snyder, Warner Bros. just wanted to release the raw footage on his laptop. “I was like, ‘That’s a no, that’s a hard no,’” he says. “And they’re like, ‘But why? You can just put up the rough cut.’” Snyder didn’t trust their motivations. “I go, ‘Here’s why. Three reasons: One, you get the internet off your back, which is probably your main reason for wanting to do this. Two, you get to feel vindicated for making things right, I guess, on some level. And then three, you get a shitty version of the movie that you can point at and go, ‘See? It’s not that good anyway. So maybe I was right.’ I was like, No chance. I would rather just have the Snyder cut be a mythical unicorn for all time.”

Overall, though, this is the part of the article that stood out to me:
Even if she doesn’t end up liking the Snyder cut, she says, “I would rather watch one person’s chaos than a committee’s snooze-fest.”

Kind of how I feel about it. It'll be one of two things: a good movie, or a movie that's at least better than what was released to theaters.
 

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I was disappointed in that too. I guess that's IMAX format. (Also old school TV.)

Elsewhere I read that Snyder's thinking on that was, "Superman needs to look heroic. He's a vertical hero. The aspect ratio should be tailored for that." I think he's the only one thinking that way. The rest of us are like, "Yeah, what about the big battle scenes and sweeping landscapes?"

I mean, I'm gonna be watching it and it's going to have the same aspect ratio as my DVDs of Green Acres. 🤨

I do have to agree with Snyder on this part:



Overall, though, this is the part of the article that stood out to me:


Kind of how I feel about it. It'll be one of two things: a good movie, or a movie that's at least better than what was released to theaters.
This is what stood out for me.

But Warner Bros. did nix some of his more sweeping notions for Justice League, like adding a romance between Ben Affleck’s Bruce Wayne and Amy Adams’s Lois Lane, who was mourning Superman’s death in the previous film. “The intention was that Bruce fell in love with Lois and then realized that the only way to save the world was to bring Superman back to life,” says Snyder. “So he had this insane conflict, because Lois, of course, was still in love with Superman. We had this beautiful speech where [Bruce] said to Alfred: ‘I never had a life outside the cave. I never imagined a world for me beyond this. But this woman makes me think that if I can get this group of gods together, then my job is done. I can quit. I can stop.’ And of course that doesn’t work out for him.”

It didn’t work out for Snyder either. The studio said no.

Uh wha? 👀

While creators had issue with his Superman, I was always scratching my head with his Batman. I enjoy the choice of Ben Affleck as an older weary Batman. I just kind of wished Batman was Batman, and NOT the guy who had no powers so he always uses a gun.

Because guns are kind of a great big 'no no' with Batman, even when he did fight Darkseid himself.

You know, because it's Batman. Anyone who knows the character knows this. The guy is not mounting tank busting artillery to his car.

It's Batman. There's just some core stuff you don't F with.
 

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If you have a hankering for the more traditional DC heroes (as I sometimes do), consider this.

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These are new stories based on the classic movies. I haven't read a new comic book in...oh, a couple of decades, but I could see myself going for this. (Also Batman '66.)

 

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Turns out that cameo Snyder's JLA is someone EVERYONE has known about, you just had to piece it together from things already said.

It ain't this guy though

https://io9.gizmodo.com/we-know-the-mind-blowing-cameo-in-zack-snyders-justice-1846335429
According to our source, the cameo is none other than DC’s J’onn J’onzz, otherwise known as Martian Manhunter.

Now, fans might be thinking “Wait, it can’t be him. We already knew Martian Manhunter was in the movie. The actor himself confirmed it.” That’s true. You may recall actor Harry Lennix played General Swanwick in 2013's Man of Steel and 2016's Batman v Superman. Snyder had intended that character to turn into the shapeshifting green hero eventually. He’s also worked with Justice League director Joss Whedon on Dollhouse.

In recent weeks, Lennix even talked to Variety to reveal that he filmed motion capture for Snyder’s Justice League. “[I got a call from Zack that said] “Hey, when can you come in and shoot?” So that was great,” Lennix told the trade. “I found out that it was a possibility, or at least that Martian Manhunter was going to be in it, when he revealed through the storyboard that Martha Kent is coming by visiting Lois, and then after she leaves, she reveals herself to be, in fact, Calvin Swanwick, or the Martian Manhunter. That’s how I knew about it.”

The actor is referring to storyboards Snyder revealed back in October 2019 of the scene in with Martian Manhunter reveals himself. Snyder had previously shot half of the scene but just needed the Lennix part. It seems possible that’s the scene in question here. So if all of this was already out there in the universe, why was it referred to as something that “will blow hard-core fans’ minds?” As far as we can tell, Vanity Fair was just being spoiler averse for a readership that isn’t up on all the latest superhero news. But we can confirm the reference is in regards to Martian Manhunter’s appearance.

To be fair, not everyone reads Variety. Not everyone saw Zack Snyder’s Vero two years ago. A fair amount of people won’t know it’s coming and those people will certainly be surprised (which is why we put this reveal behind a spoiler bar today). It’s not Ryan Reynolds type of mind-blowing of course, the newly cast Supergirl, or any number of other fun, multiverse recasting predictions that have dominated social media in the last 24 hours. But, it’s pretty cool nonetheless. Another instance of Snyder finally getting to complete a vision he’s planned for years.

Zack Snyder’s Justice League hits HBO Max March 18.
 

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I wish Snyder just kept making more Sucker Punch movies. He'd be on like 6 or 7 by now. Sure the movie didn't make a lot of sense but it was stunning to watch. Same could be said about the Fast and Furious movies but nobody is looking to pull the plug on that franchise anytime soon.
 

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I knew the cameo wasn’t GL, but I was hoping it was Power Girl. Now there’s somebody I could watch for four hours with a minimal plot.
 

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Something some maybe interested as we get a look at the JL movies that Snyder & Jim Lee intended


In 2016, Zack Snyder, Chris Terrio, and Jim Lee put together this plan for the sequels to the Justice League movie, and before the original movie was rewritten in 2017. The Zack Snyder Cut of the Justice League may make some of this moot, but it will give an idea of where he was heading. Those plans have now been exhibited as part of The Dreamscapes Of Zack Snyder's Justice League' Exhibition in downtown Dallas. With Zack Snyder's intention to share his original vision, ahead of The Justice League Snyder Cut launching on HBOMax. Here is a transcript of the plans, along with Jim Lee's illustrations. Images were taken by Spn_Darkness and used with permission.

THE HEROES' ARCS THROUGHOUT PARTS 2 AND 2A:

Superman: With Lois' help. the back-from-the-dead Superman will learn to become Clark Kent again, feeling more human than ever as he and Lois start a family.

Wonder Woman: will reconnect with the Amazons and her mother, eventually becoming their now Queen and rejoining these isolationist warriors with the outside

Aquaman: With the help of Mara, will bring the Seven Kingdoms together, becoming the one, true King. budding a new alliance between the oceans and the surface.

The Flash: will free himself from the past, releasing his father from prison with Cyborg's help and learning how to master his time traveling abilities. literally becoming able to be in two places at once.

Cyborg: will evolve both into the modem day god of the Digital Age — and into a human once again.
Batman: will ultimately sacrifice his life for these unlikely friends and the woman he loves — leaving behind a legacy that will never truly die.

JUSTICE LEAGUE 2 (2019)

The Justice League United. We open with the Justice League in acting during a natural disaster — working as the efficient, powerful team they've become, weeks after Justice League 1. They act together. they save lives. but they're refugees. so political tension is high. The world is on edge.

In the aftermath, the Justice League regroup at the only headquarters they know — the Batcave. Flash is enthusiastic. while Superman remains a bit distant — at least with batman. And Aquaman is facing a continued skepticism of the surface world and his involvement in it by the people of Atlantis. Wonder Woman relates to Arthur, her people abandoned this world long ago.

It is clear that although the League is United, the world is not.

The League goes back to their individual lives to mend old wounds — except for Batman. who's dealing with fresh ones. left alone in the cave.

Bruce and Lois

Bruce secretly meets with Lois, both of them still searching for Lex Luthor. There's tension between them since Superman has returned. The meeting ends after Lois tells Bruce that Superman needs her more than ever. Bruce knows Lois is hiding something else.

Lex Luthor recruiting his own League

Meanwhile, deep in the Brazilian jungle, Lex locates Dr, Maw (Last seen in Wonder Woman 2017) — still alive, experimenting on herself, prolonging her life and testing new chemical weapons on unfortunate human lab rats. Like an obsessed stalker, Maru has spent decades collecting information, and artifacts, on Diana and the Amazons. Now that Diana has become known to the world, Lex offers Maw a chance at revenge — the same revenge he wants on Diana's friends, Superman and Batman. Maru accepts. Lex smiles. "Then let it begin…"

In the Atacama Desert, with Maru's help. Lex breaks Orrn and Slack mania out of the desert prison (where they were imprisoned at the end of Aquaman 2018.

Outside of Central City, in Iron Heights Penitentiary, Lex finds Len Snarl (where he was left in The Flash 2018) and offers Lex a chance to advance his weaponry and take down the Fastest Man Alive.

Intercut Lex and the villains with the Justice League returning to their lives

In Metropolis, Superman asks Lois when she was going to tell him. "Tell you what, Clark?" Superman says he can hear the second heartbeat — and she shouldn't call him Clark. Clark is dead, the world believes that too. Superman mistakes Lois' hesitation for fear. "It won't hurt you." he says.

At the Louvre in Paris, Diana and Menalippe (The Amazon who came to warn Diana about Steppenwolf) discover there may be a way to "remember" the path back to Themyscira. Diana must use the Lasso on herself to unlock her mind. It's a dangerous process, but Diana want to help Menalippe home — and Diana wants to see here mother again, even if she might reject her.

Diana puts the Lasso on — and suddenly she's overwhelmed by visions! In the beginning, they're wonderful. For the first time in over a century, Diana sees her home — soaring over the island — she sees the Amazons and finally, her mother. But then her visions grow dark. Diana sees herself as the God of War — in a battle with Superman. As she kills him, Diana cries out!

Menalippe frees Diana from the Lasso. Despite the pain and confusion, Diana remembers the way home…

In a Central City courthouse, Barry is at a hearing. Thanks to Cyborg, Iris, and a troop of lawyers from Wayne, the state has examined new evidence that Barry (and Vic) have presented and agree to re-open Henry Allen's case. Barry's elated.

Along an underwater continental shelf, Aquaman and Mera are in a violent battle with the last of the 7 Kingdoms – The Unseen! It explodes around tidal pools and active lava flows. Arthur has the 7th King on the ground, his trident at his throat. The 7th King tells him to kill him. Arthur says he wants an alliance, but the 7th King refuses. Arthur leaves, frustrated. The Last Kingdom refuses to unite.

In the Batcave, Cyborg upgrades the cave — even providing a female A.I. voice for Alfred, who has become a father figure of sorts. Looking at the empty cave around them, Cyborg as Alfred, "Why's he never home?" Alfred solemnly replies, "Because then he'd have to face himself."

Batman and Lois on the hunt for Lex Luthor

Batman moves deep into the Canadian wilderness, doing second, following up on a lead that Lex may have been sighted in one of the remote towns. He fights his way through a secret location only to discover not Lex Luthor hiding out — but the Riddler! Awake for days — maybe weeks — Riddler has a long unkempt beard, his fingers dirty, his rantings written across the walls of his cabin. He looks at Batman, a man possessed, "Luthor asked the question — I had to know the answer!"

Lois is also on Luthor's trail. She located Dr. Maru's lair in the Brazilian jungle. Lois writes everything in a journal, keeping it off-line and private. She grows pale as she realizes who Maru is… and what Lex might be up to — He's forming a team of his own.

Back in the Canadian wilderness, Batman faces off against the Riddler. He tells Bruce about how Lex came to him for information. Lex presented the Anti-Life Equation, the riddle of life itself— and the Riddler solved it! He knows what it can do. And once it's unlocked, Lex will make life meaningless. The Riddler raises a gun but points it at his own head. "Time to solve the last riddle…" Blamm! Batman's shocked as Riddler kills himself.

The Justice League member unite with their families

Wonder Woman and Menalippe arrive in Themyscira. Diana's unsure what her mother's reaction will be… but a tearful and overjoyed Hippolyta embraces her. The Queen declares there will be a celebration unlike any other in Amazon history — her daughter is home!

In the oceans, Aquaman and Mera bring the final kingdom of the seven — The Unseen — into their alliance. For the first time since Atlantis sank, it is once again united!

In Central City, for the first time since he was a kid there is no wall of glass between Barry and his father. Henry Allen is released from prison, exonerated. Barry's about to tell his father who he is.

In Metropolis, Lois returns to Superman, tells him she will accept Clark is gone, but she has to go, still on the trail of Lex.

In Gotham, Batman returns from the wilderness, shaken by the Riddler's proclamation.

INTERCUT WITH Lois discovering from General Swanwick that Lex has the three mother boxes "oh no…"

Lex activates his plan

At the Three Rivers, helicopters survey the area — Lex is on the scene, his team elsewhere but in contact with him Lex activates the boxes, his true plan — to destroy the Justice League and take this secret power call the Anti-Life Equation for his own. It will give him power over all living life. The Anti-Life Equation glows as Lex turns on the boxes— Cyborg "blinks," feeling a horrible emptiness as the influx of data stops for the first time since he first went online.

And a boom tube erupts in front of Lex, surprising him! Emerging from the portal, Desaad— the horrific, sadistic servant of his master — Darkseid, who emerges behind him. Darkseid, takes the power of the Anti-Life Equation for himself!

Superman vs. Darkseid

In the Batcave, Superman, Batman, and Lois regroup. They learn of Darkseid's arrival. Superman tells Batman that this is a fight among the gods. "She's my world," he tells Bruce, "Protect her." Superman flies off to confront Darkseid—

After Superman leaves, Bruce and Lois argue — Bruce knows she's pregnant. Lois ends the argument by telling Bruce, "You're not the father." She tries to tell Bruce about what she's discovered with what Lex is planning, but he won't listen —

At the Three Rivers, taking in Darkseid's arrival Lex tells Darkseid that Darkseid has the power to kill Superman. Darkseid moves forward, acknowledging Lex. He says to Lex, "I don't want him dead, I want Superman to submit." "The girl," says Lex. She's the key to breaking his spirit.

Superman arrives and a battle with Darkseid erupts!

But Darkseid booms to Lois — the Batcave collapsing around her and Batman at his arrival. Bruce looks down at Darkseid and Lois from behind the glass wall above. Darkseid stares at Lois. Bruce is overwhelmed. What can he do?

Superman flies at incredible speed to Gotham. He arrives just in time to see Darkseid unleashing his Omega Beams from his eyes — turning Lois into ash!

Superman cries out, his soul shatters. Grief-stricken, he moves to tear Darkseid apart, but Darkseid gazes at him, the power of the Anti-Life coursing through his veins —Superman stops, his mind infected by Darkseid. Bruce watches it all in horror. Superman grabs his head in pain, eyes burning…

The Justice League under attack

Before Lois is able to warn everyone, Lex signals his team to attack!

On Themyscira, Dr. Maru unleashes a chemical gas that covers the island — and kills the Amazons, even Diana who dies in her mother's arms. Maru dies herself, a sick and twisted smile on her face.

In Atlantis, Orm and Black Manta attack the coronation — killing Arthur, Mera barely surviving herself, a cut across her face.
In Central City, Len attacks Flash with his amped up weapons, courtesy of Luthor. Cyborg is blown apart saving Barry, losing his lower half.

Back at the Batcave, Batman watches in horror as Darkseid takes full control of Superman. Superman turns on Batman and he barely escapes!

Lex believes he's won, but comes face-to-face with Superman. He looks at Lex with burning red eyes — and lights him on fire.
As Lex screams, The world goes red and — cut to:

Five Years Later

Sand dunes. Smoldering solar pits. Gothic spires rising from the desert. Once, this was Gotham. Now, like the rest of Earth, it belongs to Darkseid.

Coming over the dune, post-apocalyptic Batman (as seen in BvS), with a ragtag army of rebels – the surviving members of the Justice League walk over the rise of a dune to see the dilapidated Wayne Manor. Batman leads them. Flash drags what's left of Cyborg behind him. Bruce looks up to the sky, grimly, "We need to get inside before night. He's coming…"

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END PART ONE

JUSTICE LEAGUE 2A (2020)

Green Lantern comes to a post-Darkseid Earth

We open by introducing Green Lantern to the Justice League film universe. He's inside his ship crashing to Earth, desperately trying to make contact with someone —anyone. But there's no response, only static.

The ship crashes hard. Disoriented, Lantern hears someone outside, opening the door. A silhouette figure peers in — it's Batman.

Opening on the five years later Earth seen at the end of Justice League 2, parademons conveyer onto the ship, Batman defending Lantern. Then an unexpected ally assists Batman — Deadshot, firing at the parademons — in this post-Darkseid world, Deadshot is teamed-up with the Dark Knight.

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