Zack Snyder’s “Justice League” coming to HBO Max March 18

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This will be interesting. There will be much taken out (every frame of Joss Whedon’s footage), yet the film will be one four hour epic. That indicates a lot of new (or previously unseen) content that can’t help but make it a different movie.

It’s set for March 18, but so far only in the United States.


Looking forward to it, although Thursday is a weird-ass day of the week to release a movie.
 

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Oh come on. 😄

With so much of the film being new, previously unseen material, I have to believe it'll be better than the theatrical version.
 

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No. No.

The Snyderverese is just something that some coked up DC Exec must have agreed to because they were in some photos with Bryan Singer.

Who thought this was what DC comics is about, I have no clue, but it wasn't flying with the decade of continuity Marvel carefully built.
 

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No. No.

The Snyderverese is just something that some coked up DC Exec must have agreed to because they were in some photos with Bryan Singer.




Who thought this was what DC comics is about, I have no clue, but it wasn't flying with the decade of continuity Marvel carefully built.
I’ve been extremely disappointed with the recent DC comics movie adaptations. I like DC better than Marvel, but they seem unable to make decent movies as of late. I remember reading the infinity gauntlet series years ago and being totally unimpressed with the silly story about magic gems that can control the universe. It was also totally lacking in drama, as it never seemed the fate of any characters was in jeopardy. Compare that with Crisis on Infinite Earths, which was truly an epic IMHO. But infinity gauntlet ended up as a multi-movie series that people loved, and Crisis got a cheesy TV adaptation.
 

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I’ve been extremely disappointed with the recent DC comics movie adaptations. I like DC better than Marvel, but they seem unable to make decent movies as of late. I remember reading the infinity gauntlet series years ago and being totally unimpressed with the silly story about magic gems that can control the universe. It was also totally lacking in drama, as it never seemed the fate of any characters was in jeopardy. Compare that with Crisis on Infinite Earths, which was truly an epic IMHO. But infinity gauntlet ended up as a multi-movie series that people loved, and Crisis got a cheesy TV adaptation.
DC & Marvel are in weird places media wise. I wouldn't recommend much currently story wise amongst either company as they've become completely enthralled with having the next big comic book event that inspires a film. When it comes to film or TV, Marvel kills it film wise, DC TV & Anime. Some of DC's best stuff has been there animated fare.


Since the success of Miles Morales Into the Spider Verse, THAT is the point of importance in DC movies. It was very good.

Directly inspired by the comics, Justice League: The New Frontier is DC comics


It could be because of the nature of the format, but it's the polar opposite of Snyder's darker Ayn Rand inspired version of DC comics, leaning into Superman as messiah message. JL: The New Frontier is the questions of heroes, and heroes uniting.

DC & Snyder wanted to jump right to Thanos without any buildup, so they went right to the original Thanos in Darkseid.

One of DC's biggest writers was so pissed off when they saw what Superman does with Zod, that it was a betrayal of the character. I didn't quite think that, but I can see how it begins the path Snyder wanted to go that is the opposite of what DC's comics are currently. DC's films are off course because it's film execs trying to duplicate what Marvel has already done. Their biggest successes are when they don't try to do what Marvel has done ( Wonder Woman & Shazam ), and just try to make entertaining movies.

What Snyder was doing I have no clue, except perhaps some fetish stuff.

One of my favorites.

DC has a bunch of animated stuff that my friends really enjoy. Once again, I believe it's because they aren't trying to copy anyone.


On the flip, Marvel's animated fares are just baaaaaddddd, but who cares with their films and now new series.

In case you've never seen this
 

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Good read on the Snyder version here. https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/02/the-true-story-of-justice-league-snyder-cut

It’s going to be in 4:3 aspect ratio. He has a reason but geeze, I was already not going to enjoy it. He’s daring me to not watch it.
On Twitter they keep promising everything but the sun.

With the Jared Leto Joker / Jesus pic.

To Green Lantern trending because they now promise a cameo at the end that will blow fans minds.


Which led to jokes about a Ryan Reynolds cameo, to guessing we get Hawkman.
I say we get a cameo with Reynolds being killed and Diggle Green Lantern showing up. But, not likely

At this point, the only thing they haven't promised is that gourmet buttered popcorn will be delivered thru the screen. WB is investing quite a bit into this, so the bronies have to step up and make this an internet Disney+ worthy breaking spectacle.

Notice, I didn't say it had to be good.
 

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Good read on the Snyder version here. https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/02/the-true-story-of-justice-league-snyder-cut

It’s going to be in 4:3 aspect ratio. He has a reason but geeze, I was already not going to enjoy it. He’s daring me to not watch it.
I was disappointed in that too. I guess that's IMAX format. (Also old school TV.)

Elsewhere I read that Snyder's thinking on that was, "Superman needs to look heroic. He's a vertical hero. The aspect ratio should be tailored for that." I think he's the only one thinking that way. The rest of us are like, "Yeah, what about the big battle scenes and sweeping landscapes?"

I mean, I'm gonna be watching it and it's going to have the same aspect ratio as my DVDs of Green Acres. 🤨

I do have to agree with Snyder on this part:

Initially, says Snyder, Warner Bros. just wanted to release the raw footage on his laptop. “I was like, ‘That’s a no, that’s a hard no,’” he says. “And they’re like, ‘But why? You can just put up the rough cut.’” Snyder didn’t trust their motivations. “I go, ‘Here’s why. Three reasons: One, you get the internet off your back, which is probably your main reason for wanting to do this. Two, you get to feel vindicated for making things right, I guess, on some level. And then three, you get a shitty version of the movie that you can point at and go, ‘See? It’s not that good anyway. So maybe I was right.’ I was like, No chance. I would rather just have the Snyder cut be a mythical unicorn for all time.”

Overall, though, this is the part of the article that stood out to me:
Even if she doesn’t end up liking the Snyder cut, she says, “I would rather watch one person’s chaos than a committee’s snooze-fest.”

Kind of how I feel about it. It'll be one of two things: a good movie, or a movie that's at least better than what was released to theaters.
 

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I was disappointed in that too. I guess that's IMAX format. (Also old school TV.)

Elsewhere I read that Snyder's thinking on that was, "Superman needs to look heroic. He's a vertical hero. The aspect ratio should be tailored for that." I think he's the only one thinking that way. The rest of us are like, "Yeah, what about the big battle scenes and sweeping landscapes?"

I mean, I'm gonna be watching it and it's going to have the same aspect ratio as my DVDs of Green Acres. 🤨

I do have to agree with Snyder on this part:



Overall, though, this is the part of the article that stood out to me:


Kind of how I feel about it. It'll be one of two things: a good movie, or a movie that's at least better than what was released to theaters.
This is what stood out for me.

But Warner Bros. did nix some of his more sweeping notions for Justice League, like adding a romance between Ben Affleck’s Bruce Wayne and Amy Adams’s Lois Lane, who was mourning Superman’s death in the previous film. “The intention was that Bruce fell in love with Lois and then realized that the only way to save the world was to bring Superman back to life,” says Snyder. “So he had this insane conflict, because Lois, of course, was still in love with Superman. We had this beautiful speech where [Bruce] said to Alfred: ‘I never had a life outside the cave. I never imagined a world for me beyond this. But this woman makes me think that if I can get this group of gods together, then my job is done. I can quit. I can stop.’ And of course that doesn’t work out for him.”

It didn’t work out for Snyder either. The studio said no.

Uh wha? 👀

While creators had issue with his Superman, I was always scratching my head with his Batman. I enjoy the choice of Ben Affleck as an older weary Batman. I just kind of wished Batman was Batman, and NOT the guy who had no powers so he always uses a gun.

Because guns are kind of a great big 'no no' with Batman, even when he did fight Darkseid himself.

You know, because it's Batman. Anyone who knows the character knows this. The guy is not mounting tank busting artillery to his car.

It's Batman. There's just some core stuff you don't F with.
 

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If you have a hankering for the more traditional DC heroes (as I sometimes do), consider this.

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These are new stories based on the classic movies. I haven't read a new comic book in...oh, a couple of decades, but I could see myself going for this. (Also Batman '66.)

 

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Turns out that cameo Snyder's JLA is someone EVERYONE has known about, you just had to piece it together from things already said.

It ain't this guy though

https://io9.gizmodo.com/we-know-the-mind-blowing-cameo-in-zack-snyders-justice-1846335429
According to our source, the cameo is none other than DC’s J’onn J’onzz, otherwise known as Martian Manhunter.

Now, fans might be thinking “Wait, it can’t be him. We already knew Martian Manhunter was in the movie. The actor himself confirmed it.” That’s true. You may recall actor Harry Lennix played General Swanwick in 2013's Man of Steel and 2016's Batman v Superman. Snyder had intended that character to turn into the shapeshifting green hero eventually. He’s also worked with Justice League director Joss Whedon on Dollhouse.

In recent weeks, Lennix even talked to Variety to reveal that he filmed motion capture for Snyder’s Justice League. “[I got a call from Zack that said] “Hey, when can you come in and shoot?” So that was great,” Lennix told the trade. “I found out that it was a possibility, or at least that Martian Manhunter was going to be in it, when he revealed through the storyboard that Martha Kent is coming by visiting Lois, and then after she leaves, she reveals herself to be, in fact, Calvin Swanwick, or the Martian Manhunter. That’s how I knew about it.”

The actor is referring to storyboards Snyder revealed back in October 2019 of the scene in with Martian Manhunter reveals himself. Snyder had previously shot half of the scene but just needed the Lennix part. It seems possible that’s the scene in question here. So if all of this was already out there in the universe, why was it referred to as something that “will blow hard-core fans’ minds?” As far as we can tell, Vanity Fair was just being spoiler averse for a readership that isn’t up on all the latest superhero news. But we can confirm the reference is in regards to Martian Manhunter’s appearance.

To be fair, not everyone reads Variety. Not everyone saw Zack Snyder’s Vero two years ago. A fair amount of people won’t know it’s coming and those people will certainly be surprised (which is why we put this reveal behind a spoiler bar today). It’s not Ryan Reynolds type of mind-blowing of course, the newly cast Supergirl, or any number of other fun, multiverse recasting predictions that have dominated social media in the last 24 hours. But, it’s pretty cool nonetheless. Another instance of Snyder finally getting to complete a vision he’s planned for years.

Zack Snyder’s Justice League hits HBO Max March 18.
 

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I wish Snyder just kept making more Sucker Punch movies. He'd be on like 6 or 7 by now. Sure the movie didn't make a lot of sense but it was stunning to watch. Same could be said about the Fast and Furious movies but nobody is looking to pull the plug on that franchise anytime soon.
 

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I knew the cameo wasn’t GL, but I was hoping it was Power Girl. Now there’s somebody I could watch for four hours with a minimal plot.
 
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