May 7 “Let Loose” Event - new iPads

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Looks like we finally get new ipads on May 7. Desperately need to replace my 12” pro which won’t charge anymore. (the hack i use is to use the Smart Keyboard to charge it). I have apple care, so I *could* just get it repaired, but, you know, what fun is that?
 

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My 2017 base iPad is in rough shape but I use it every day. Been waiting impatiently for this release, I’d like to upgrade to an Air, because I love spending too much $ on things apparently.
 

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"Rotating through variants". This one

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looks like an infestation of microbes.

We might hope "let loose" means that new M3 Airs and Pros (with higher specs) will get even more macOS capabilities, though with that, the 11" Pro might start to cannibalize the 13" MacBook Air on the low end.
 

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"Rotating through variants". This one


looks like an infestation of microbes.

We might hope "let loose" means that new M3 Airs and Pros (with higher specs) will get even more macOS capabilities, though with that, the 11" Pro might start to cannibalize the 13" MacBook Air on the low end.

Apple rarely makes decisions based on worrying about cannibalizing other products - they’d rather cannibalize their stuff than let others do so.

No, pretty sure the problem is they actually think iPadOS is just fine, and that we all enjoy struggling to arrange windows where we want them and not having virtual memory support so that desktop-class apps won’t show up.
 

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Looks like we finally get new ipads on May 7. Desperately need to replace my 12” pro which won’t charge anymore. (the hack i use is to use the Smart Keyboard to charge it). I have apple care, so I *could* just get it repaired, but, you know, what fun is that?

Yet over at The Other Place most are laser-focused on the pencil propaganda, and ranting about "an event just for a pencil...?"

I wonder if we might get a Mac or two? An M3 Ultra would be nice.

No M3 Ultra, straight to monolithic M4 Ultra, and then an older rumor comes to mind; "no Extreme until M5", so WWDC 2025 for the M5 Extreme...?!?

Guess I have to wait another year for the M5 Extreme Mac Pro Cube...! ;^p

I guess a new iPad Mini isn't going to happen. :(

A surprise entry into the iPad Pro line-up, the iPad mini Pro...?
 

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Apple rarely makes decisions based on worrying about cannibalizing other products - they’d rather cannibalize their stuff than let others do so.

No, pretty sure the problem is they actually think iPadOS is just fine, and that we all enjoy struggling to arrange windows where we want them and not having virtual memory support so that desktop-class apps won’t show up.
The problem is that they are stuck trying to provide a device that is both the ultimate portable content consumption device for everyone with a trivially simple operating system (that has increased productivity over the iPhone mainly due to its screen size) and a true touch screen capable Mac replacement. The issue is that it’s a cursed design problem, you can’t actually be both simultaneously. The solution is to split the OS design - iPad minis and Airs stay with effectively iOS with quality of life improvements for the larger screen and pencil support while iPad Pros get a true multitasking iPad OS.

I dunno that’s my idea anyway. Maybe I’m wrong and there is a way to combine both and Apple’s search for it will bear fruit. But I admit that if it’s there then I’m not imaginative enough to see it.
 

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Whatever happened to the rumor about iPadOS when solo, and macOS when connected to a keyboard, monitor, and pointing device...?
Has never gone anywhere as far as I can tell but of course I’m not inside Apple. Truthfully, it is a touch kludgy to dramatically change the UI for a single device based on what’s plugged in. Then again I’ll also admit that a unified good touch screen and good mouse UI likewise seems like a cursed problem so maybe changing the UI situationally is the best solution but then again maybe it’s not as cursed as the simple vs multitasking OS? I dunno.
 

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I personally like both iOS and Mac OS. I always wondered if Apple could provide an experience similar to Samsung Dex on Galaxy S24 Ultra devices. I played with one and thought it was really cool! I'm likely in the minority but I'd love an iphone that could boot into Mac OS when tethered to a USB thunderbolt monitor. Or an iPad that also could boot into a true Mac OS when the magic keyboard was used etc...
 

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No, pretty sure the problem is they actually think iPadOS is just fine, and that we all enjoy struggling to arrange windows where we want them and not having virtual memory support so that desktop-class apps won’t show up.
iPadOS 16 introduced virtual memory support, no?

In any case, after the Stage Manager fiasco (on top of a decade of switching the multi-window UX every couple years) I think they're aware that their windowing experience is not ideal. Hopefully they'll set Stage Manger on fire and release something more macOS-like soon, but I'm not holding my breath. It took 5 years for Apple to ditch the butterfly keyboard
 

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Looks like we finally get new ipads on May 7. Desperately need to replace my 12” pro which won’t charge anymore. (the hack i use is to use the Smart Keyboard to charge it). I have apple care, so I *could* just get it repaired, but, you know, what fun is that?
I'm hoping "let loose" means running a bunch of macOS apps on iPadOS. The hardware is capable!


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for me, stage manager is mostly fine. I don't do a lot of window management to be honest, most of the time I just swipe between full screen apps or use mission control(I think that's still what it's called??) if I have too many full screen apps open.

it's typically either 2 apps tiled (drag/drop from one to another), full screen or I don't care so much. Full screen swiping left/right with the trackpad has trained me out of giving a shit about micromanaging windows.
 
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Apple rarely makes decisions based on worrying about cannibalizing other products - they’d rather cannibalize their stuff than let others do so.

That was certainly true of Steve, but these days I'm not so sure.

There's an unhealthy amount of product overlap at the moment and the whole "iPad Pros can't run macOS apps" thing is clearly artificial segmentation at this point given the damn things run exactly the same processors, RAM and storage as the MacBook Air, and first party keyboard/trackpad combo is available!

What's the touch screen capability worth in BOM cost (vs display without touch but including a trackpad)? $20? About that, ballpark?

Because right now they could ship a 12.9 iPad Air for cheaper than a MacBook Air no doubt because they don't include a keyboard or trackpad in the box. That's actually a feature, as if you spill shit all over the keyboard on an iPad, its an easily replaceable component. If you do that on a MacBook Air, or the keyboard is just unreliable garbage like the butterfly era, its a new machine or RMA respectively.
 
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