Nuvia: don’t hold your breath

[exoticspice1]

Looks like we have the first X Elite Geekbench score.

Qualcomm CRD - Geekbench

Benchmark results for a Qualcomm CRD with a Qualcomm Oryon processor.

browser.geekbench.com

Edit: Actually there’s quite a few scores there now and all the scores over 3000 are on Linux where we know the fans were on full blast.

That's a good score. It will still be very competitive next year

 

[Jimmyjames]

That's a good score. It will still be very competitive next year

Who knows what next year will bring? At best we can say it’s fine for this year, depending on the power used to achieve it.

 

[exoticspice1]

Who knows what next year will bring? At best we can say it’s fine for this year, depending on the power used to achieve it.

It's also fine for the PC market next year. Intel won't be close this anytime soon. More like 2025 with Lunar Lake assuming it's actually powerful like X Elite.

 

[Jimmyjames]

It's also fine for the PC market next year. Intel won't be close this anytime soon. More like 2025 with Lunar Lake assuming it's actually powerful like X Elite.

Close in what sense?

 

[exoticspice1]

Close in what sense?

ST and performance per watt in the PC space

 

[Jimmyjames]

ST and performance per watt in the PC space

Time will tell.

 

[Jimmyjames]

These don’t look great. In fact, the Intel Ultra 9 185H is close in single core and often beats it in multi core. It remains to be seen how Qualcomm does in efficiency.

Geekbench Search - Geekbench

browser.geekbench.com

 

[Yoused]

Looks like we have the first X Elite Geekbench score.

Qualcomm CRD - Geekbench

Benchmark results for a Qualcomm CRD with a Qualcomm Oryon processor.

browser.geekbench.com

Did you look down the page?

Topology 1 Processor, 1 Core, 12 Threads

I think the Power10 processor cores run 8-thead SMT, so this is a non-small step.

 

[Jimmyjames]

Did you look down the page?


I think the Power10 processor cores run 8-thead SMT, so this is a non-small step.

Not sure what to make of this tbh. I assume it’s a mistake. Haven’t Qualcomm told us it’s a 12 core cpu?

 

[Yoused]

Not sure what to make of this tbh. I assume it’s a mistake. Haven’t Qualcomm told us it’s a 12 core cpu?

Qualcomm does not list a "CRD" product, so this might be some sort of prototype.

 

[Jimmyjames]

Qualcomm does not list a "CRD" product, so this might be some sort of prototype.

Yes. It’s what they called the X Elite laptops they showed to the press I believe.

 

[leman]

Not sure what to make of this tbh. I assume it’s a mistake. Haven’t Qualcomm told us it’s a 12 core cpu?

Most likely GB misreporting the number of cores.

 

[Aaronage]

Geekbench Linux aarch64 (not a supported release, it’s in preview) always reports 1 core/n threads.
Raspberry Pi 4/5, Honeycomb LX2, Graviton instances, Linux VMs on Mac (Parallels/VMWare) etc. doesn’t matter, always reports 1 core.

 

[Aaronage]

Those recent Geekbench results appear to be the lower clocked 23W TDP SKU (assuming the reported clock speed is correct).

23W = 4GHz 2-core turbo, 3.4GHz all core turbo
80W = 4.3GHz 2-core turbo, 3.8GHz all core turbo

Without knowing what TDP means in this case, we can’t really judge it against the competition.

Core Ultra 9 185H has a maximum turbo power of 115W(!!). The bursty nature of Geekbench means it probably gets through a run before getting throttled back to 65W.

 

[Aaronage]

Another thing.

There’s something off about Geekbench for Windows aarch64. I don’t know if it’s a Windows issue or a Geekbench issue (different compiler tuning?), but it scores lower than macOS and Linux

Here are some M3 Pro results I took last year
macOS native = 3176 points https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/3472954
Linux aarch64 (VMWare) = 3039 points https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/3480434
Windows aarch64 (VMWare) = 2755 points https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/3479543

IIRC, the early X Elite Windows and Linux results had a similar performance delta

 

[dada_dave]

Another thing.

There’s something off about Geekbench for Windows aarch64. I don’t know if it’s a Windows issue or a Geekbench issue (different compiler tuning?), but it scores lower than macOS and Linux

Here are some M3 Pro results I took last year
macOS native = 3176 points https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/3472954
Linux aarch64 (VMWare) = 3039 points https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/3480434
Windows aarch64 (VMWare) = 2755 points https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/3479543

IIRC, the early X Elite Windows and Linux results had a similar performance delta

Huh I thought they fixed that.

 

[Jimmyjames]

Tech sites really go out of their way to give Qualcomm a pass. 1628 is not a respectable number and I doubt it’s even a real number. 2574 is fine, but again, nowhere near where they pretended to be and it is not “pretty close” to 3181. The M3 is 24% faster. Bad journalism.

 

[Cmaier]

Tech sites really go out of their way to give Qualcomm a pass. 1628 is not a respectable number and I doubt it’s even a real number. 2574 is fine, but again, nowhere near where they pretended to be and it is not “pretty close” to 3181. The M3 is 24% faster. Bad journalism.
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“Which narrowly beats it.”

 

[Jimmyjames]

“Which narrowly beats it.”

“narrowly” is doing a LOT of work there!

 

[Cmaier]

In message #20 on this thread I said “I suspect we will see M1-like performance, for what it’s worth, but in 2023 that may not be good enough.”

Looks like it’s more like M2-like performance in 2024. It’s actually not bad, though I want to see power numbers and more details. But, when the thread was started, we have to remember how these guys were being billed as “apple-killers.”

They may very well be able to beat Apple at some point, but I think it will eventually settle into a leapfrogging situation.