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I don't know if I'll get in trouble for this but I've had it with the anti-vaxxers at my work. Up to this point I've mostly remained silent and respected their decision, but starting today our area reinstituted the indoor mask mandate. One of our anti-vaxxer employees walks in this morning and snarkily says "Guess we have to wear these again" with the other anti-vaxxer saying "And I wonder how long this time?" I somewhat snapped and said "Until everybody gets vaccinated. Just go get vaccinated."

The first anti-vaxxer thinks it's all about freedom. He also said it's all the vaccinated people who are still getting the virus. BULLSHIT. The second anti-vaxxer is a nice guy but really simple, easily roped into conspiracies. He thinks we just don't know enough about the vaccines. Honestly, I can't debate him because I would probably be overbearing and unable to win him over as a result.

I just cut things off with both of them by saying I don't have time for this and said "no more conspiracy theories" and ended it there. My main point is if you aren't going to get vaccinated then don't you fucking dare complain about mandates to help reduce transmission or wondering how long until we return to somewhat normal. You are the problem. Keep your mouth shut.
Hopefully you won’t get in trouble for supporting a mask mandate your company/local government mandated.

I’ve said this before several times, that although this virus is deadly enough to kill millions and put hundreds of thousands in the hospital, it’s just not deadly enough to register with the dimwits which makes me wish it was more deadly. Then maybe humanity might stand a chance of getting their heads out of their collective asses. :unsure:
 

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I can’t help but think of how this has seriously devalued human life. Last week the news was running a story of how a husband and father in his 30’s died from covid who wasn’t vaccinated and said he regretted that decision before he died. As much as I tried, I couldn’t feel sympathy or even see it as a tragedy. The kids will grow up without their father. Guess what, millions of people for generations, including myself, grew up without their father and it wasn’t over losing a game of bad odds Russian roulette with their health.

And I know these widows didn’t ask to step up to the plate and be a hero as a result of their loss, but these stories from strangers, no matter how many, most likely aren’t going to be changing any minds. What they should be doing is going on any media source that will take them and say “I’m a Republican. I voted for Trump twice, but it’s because of my side’s politicians and media that my husband is now dead. I also don’t trust politicians or the news. So why would we now trust them on something that is leading to our deaths? The vaccines were largely created under Trump. This is not a Democrat conspiracy.” These people seem to be pissed off about everything else so why is it so hard for them to spend some of that anger on leading to deaths? At best they just seem to feel stupid.
 
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Well, it took a good strong team effort, ...but we did it!

The mask signs are back up in the front of ALL stores where I'm at. Watched a group of irate guys got turned away at Sam's Club for not having masks, and I guess they weren't feeling the free handouts. At least Sam's has learned from all of this, and had a group of people at the front in case anyone wanted to make a scene. Still it was just last week we had a few weeks of NO signs in the front doors saying to wear masks, and now we are RIGHT BACK to where some people were bitching about... :brickwall::brickwall::brickwall:

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Honestly, I can't debate him because I would probably be overbearing and unable to win him over as a result.

I recently came across a YouTube video where they explained why you can't ague with stupid people. Logic, reason and facts are completely useless tools in that situation. There's almost nothing that can be said or done to change their minds. Look at Flat-Earthers. No amount of science, math, physics, logic, etc. can get through their heads. Dumb people are going to believe what they want and there's pretty much nothing that can be done about it.

At least we have a vaccine now. That means that we're no longer on equal footing. We're in a situation now where the more intelligent people are getting vaccinated and are more or less safe and it's just the dummies that are getting hit hard. That's a sad situation. But if they can't be talked out of making bad decisions, they're just going to have to suffer bad consequences. Perhaps this is natures way of clearing out the gene pool a little. 🤷‍♂️
 
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I recently came across a YouTube video where they explained why you can't ague with stupid people. Logic, reason and facts are completely useless tools in that situation. There's almost nothing that can be said or done to change their minds. Look at Flat-Earthers. No amount of science, math, physics, logic, etc. can get through their heads. Dumb people are going to believe what they want and there's pretty much nothing that can be done about it.

At least we have a vaccine now. That means that we're no longer on equal footing. We're in a situation now where the more intelligent people are getting vaccinated and are more or less safe and it's just the dummies that are getting hit hard. That's a sad situation. But if they can't be talked out of making bad decisions, they're just going to have to suffer bad consequences. Perhaps this is natures way of clearing out the gene pool a little. 🤷‍♂️

In this case I think it more comes down to he is simple and unfortunately hitched his wagon to the wrong knowledge tree. Even if he tried to be more proactive with his research he’s most likely to just be met with more fringe information that backs up his hesitancy. I think they’ve tracked down all the misinformation to just a handful of bad actors but then that same information has been regurgitated up the chain by seemingly more reputable sources because they simply don’t give a fuck. To make things worse the courts have backed up their not giving a fuck reporting.

Word is Biden is pretty pissed off about how major news outlets are reporting outlying cases. Since network news is Hollywood agent they are proving they equally have their heads up their asses with their reactionary overcorrections. They took “Hm, maybe we shouldn’t have given Trump’s empty podium so much air time” and turned it into “Let’s give all Covid related news, no matter how insane or rare, equal exposure.”
 

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In this case I think it more comes down to he is simple and unfortunately hitched his wagon to the wrong knowledge tree. Even if he tried to be more proactive with his research he’s most likely to just be met with more fringe information that backs up his hesitancy. I think they’ve tracked down all the misinformation to just a handful of bad actors but then that same information has been regurgitated up the chain by seemingly more reputable sources because they simply don’t give a fuck. To make things worse the courts have backed up their not giving a fuck reporting.

Word is Biden is pretty pissed off about how major news outlets are reporting outlying cases. Since network news is Hollywood agent they are proving they equally have their heads up their asses with their reactionary overcorrections. They took “Hm, maybe we shouldn’t have given Trump’s empty podium so much air time” and turned it into “Let’s give all Covid related news, no matter how insane or rare, equal exposure.”
I do fault the media for the way they’re treating this. The stories make it seem like vaccinated people are in danger! But then I listened to an interview with an expert physician. They did explain that 99% of people with the vaccine will not have a problem. The interviewer pressed her “doesn’t that mean 1.5 million are in danger?!?!?” and her response was that even of those 1.5 million, almost none of them would have serious symptoms. It was obvious the interviewer was drooling at the idea that there might be a danger to vaccinated people so they would get a sensational story. So the dreaded “breakthrough infections” are of little consequence to the vaccinated, and are much more of a danger to the unvaccinated because it just means there is a larger pool of people they could be infected by.
 

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I do fault the media for the way they’re treating this. The stories make it seem like vaccinated people are in danger! But then I listened to an interview with an expert physician. They did explain that 99% of people with the vaccine will not have a problem. The interviewer pressed her “doesn’t that mean 1.5 million are in danger?!?!?” and her response was that even of those 1.5 million, almost none of them would have serious symptoms. It was obvious the interviewer was drooling at the idea that there might be a danger to vaccinated people so they would get a sensational story. So the dreaded “breakthrough infections” are of little consequence to the vaccinated, and are much more of a danger to the unvaccinated because it just means there is a larger pool of people they could be infected by.

It’s very calculated clickbait. Instead of titling an article “%0.035 of vaccinated people still contract covid” they’ll roll with “vaccinated people still contracting covid”. The average anti-vaxxer isn’t going to bother to read the article. Then they’ll go spew their headline based knowledge like they did some deep research.
 

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I do fault the media for the way they’re treating this. The stories make it seem like vaccinated people are in danger!
It’s very calculated clickbait. Instead of titling an article “%0.035 of vaccinated people still contract covid” they’ll roll with “vaccinated people still contracting covid”. The average anti-vaxxer isn’t going to bother to read the article. Then they’ll go spew their headline based knowledge like they did some deep research.

It's panic porn and all about getting clicks and viewers.
 

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It's panic porn and all about getting clicks and viewers.
I do get that there's hyperbole but there's a lot of denial about what is actually happening. Hospitals filling up in the south, Texas and Florida doing everything in their political power to ensure the spread, these things are real. Choosing to put fingers in one's ears does not change it.
 

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I do get that there's hyperbole but there's a lot of denial about what is actually happening. Hospitals filling up in the south, Texas and Florida doing everything in their political power to ensure the spread, these things are real. Choosing to put fingers in one's ears does not change it.
The threat to the unvaccinated is very real. Posting clickbait about threat to the vaccinated is dangerous and further discourages the unvaccinated from getting a vaccine… (Why get the shot if vaccinated people are dying too?)
 

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The threat to the unvaccinated is very real. Posting clickbait about threat to the vaccinated is dangerous and further discourages the unvaccinated from getting a vaccine… (Why get the shot if vaccinated people are dying too?)
They're also very clear that 99.9% of those vaccinated are not having issues, great incentivisation but most who aren't getting it won't get it either way. I think the biggest driver is the going to be businesses and the market who have had enough of their bullshit.
 

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The threat to the unvaccinated is very real. Posting clickbait about threat to the vaccinated is dangerous and further discourages the unvaccinated from getting a vaccine… (Why get the shot if vaccinated people are dying too?)

I've asked this before, and I don't know if opinions have changed, but which is worse...reports of outlying cases getting buried and then some people miss that information and get sick or die, or millions of people not getting vaccinated because outlying stories are given top front page coverage? IMO "it's important to get the information out there" becomes a lot less important when it's creating a substantially bigger problem.

But it's also important to note that in some cases (Fox News et el), it's not about giving equal or balanced coverage. It's about driving a divide, period. So even if the CNN's of the world cleaned up their act on how to report responsibly based on probable outcome, it still wouldn't do anything about the bad actors.
 

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They're also very clear that 99.9% of those vaccinated are not having issues, great incentivisation but most who aren't getting it won't get it either way. I think the biggest driver is the going to be businesses and the market who have had enough of their bullshit.

Being very clear would be putting that in the headline. They're not doing that in most cases.
 

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I've asked this before, and I don't know if opinions have changed, but which is worse...reports of outlying cases getting buried and then some people miss that information and get sick or die, or millions of people not getting vaccinated because outlying stories are given top front page coverage? IMO "it's important to get the information out there" becomes a lot less important when it's creating a substantially bigger problem.

But it's also important to note that in some cases (Fox News et el), it's not about giving equal or balanced coverage. It's about driving a divide, period. So even if the CNN's of the world cleaned up their act on how to report responsibly based on probable outcome, it still wouldn't do anything about the bad actors.
In response to your first paragraph, the latter is a much larger problem.

If there’s a story about a lettuce recall, chances are the lettuce is already being taken off the store shelves, and those stories almost always end up being quite localized. And people tend to overreact to those stories. BUT if people decide not to buy any lettuce for a few weeks… what‘s the problem?

When the media sensationalizes a story about a one-in-a-million side effect from a vaccine, if that causes people not to get the vaccine, you’ve got a big problem.
 

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I've asked this before, and I don't know if opinions have changed, but which is worse...reports of outlying cases getting buried and then some people miss that information and get sick or die, or millions of people not getting vaccinated because outlying stories are given top front page coverage?

Ideally people would get both sides of the story. But too many people can't be bothered to read past a headline.

Years ago we brought someone in to give feedback on our website. The one thing that stood out to me was that it was too wordy. He said the average person didn't read more than 3 sentences. If we've not conveyed the important information in the first or second sentence, the average person never saw it. Keep in mind that's 3 sentences on a medical related site where we were serving up personalized health information. The average is worse on less important sites.

I see it constantly MacRumors. People reply to an article and start asking questions answered in the article. Or drawing conclusions not supported by the article. People only have time for headlines. Worse yet, they feel reading the headlines give them enough knowledge to speak with authority on whatever the subject might be.
 

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It's funny how antivaxers usually tend to be the same people who believe Bill Gates is attempting to commit mass genocide in the name of population control.

If I intended to kill a large percentage of people, the first thing I'd do...
 
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