So…they made the choice that they didn’t want kids and went on the pill. (That happened to a friend of mine in college as well.) But that choice failed them.
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I seriously doubt that is ever the plan. At least that's not what I witnessed while holding the hand of two different friends who had abortions since the men who got them into the predicament bailed on taking ownership of their part in the deed. It's a gut wrenching procedure that I don't think any woman desires to find herself in.
Why would any woman prefer surgical abortion as a form of birth control? It's more expensive (not including the time and cost of travel from states that don't provide it) and is riskier, even though it's safe in good hands. But all the non-surgical options are fallible, and women are often not aware they're pregnant well into the first trimester. Plus, as I said, there are maternal and fetal conditions that only can be addressed by abortion. And what about the states that are considering defining life as beginning at conception, which would technically make several forms of contraception illegal?
The Republicans who are restricting or outright banning abortion don't care about the women who will be most affected, nor are they concerned about their babies' well-being. If they were, they wouldn't be advocating for not providing formula to the few hundred (at most) babies who are under U.S. custody at the border. It's immensely hypocritical to say it's acceptable for the government to regulate what a woman does with her own body when it comes to abortion, but rail against vaccine and mask mandates that help protect others and can make a huge difference in the course of a deadly pandemic, to the individual and common good.
And I don't doubt for a minute that if someone in Tate Reeves' family or circle wanted an abortion, they would get it and have it kept secret.
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The “abortion used as birth control” is a worn-out anti-abortion trope. Those repeating it may not realize that, but the idea is to paint those having abortions as heartless people who would rather kill a baby than use a condom.
I wonder what the "Christian" proponents of restricting or banning abortion would say if asked about the situation in Israel, where abortion is widely available, albeit with some requirements such as committee review that the current health minister thinks should be relaxed.
Under Jewish law, “personhood” begins at birth, and maternal physical and mental well-being always takes precedence. Therefore, a woman's emotional distress may be acceptable grounds for abortion. Even the Talmud, which is the primary text of rabbinic Judaism, says “until forty days from conception the fetus is merely water. It is not yet considered a living being.”
Under Jewish law, “personhood” begins at birth, and maternal physical and mental well-being always takes precedence. Therefore, a woman's emotional distress may be acceptable grounds for abortion. Even the Talmud, which is the primary text of rabbinic Judaism, says “until forty days from conception the fetus is merely water. It is not yet considered a living being.”
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That is absolutely not what I am saying. But
happens sometimes. People get lazy or drunk and hope the odds work in their favor. (For the record, I have been there. Had a few long weeks a couple of times and it is certainly no fun.) No I seriously doubt people would rather kill a baby vs using a condom.But your choice of words is interesting. Your post seems to indicate that you think it is killing a baby, which is the position of the anti-abortion side.
And don't forget, I am not opposed to abortion. I do think if you can't make a decision by 24 weeks (which is more than reasonable and longer than many other countries) , then you can put it up for adoption. (Life of the mother excepted.)
What I find interesting is that a majority of people think overturning RvW will outlaw abortions across the country. It does not.
I think this is an opportunity for the Dems if they don't squander it to change some statehouses in Red states.
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I didn’t think you were trying to say that. But it has been the point of such a statement from the anti-abortion coalition in the past, which is why I thought it bore a mention.That is absolutely not what I am saying. But
But your choice of words is interesting. Your post seems to indicate that you think it is killing a baby, which is the position of the anti-abortion side.
As for my choice of words, I said that anti-abortion activists are the ones trying to paint people as baby killers. I don’t see how you could read that to think that I agree with them.
I’d be interested in seeing the poll that indicates that belief. The decision will allow abortion to be outlawed across the country. Not every state will do so, but many already have laws on the books that take effect immediately upon the overturning of Roe. So the effect of overturning Roe would be immediate abortion bans across much of the country.
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Well, there some really ugly stories in which strict late-term abortion bans offer the worst possible outcomes. Abortions after 20 weeks are extremely uncommon, and those that happen because the woman could not make up her mind are vanishing rare. These bans are just plain stupid, and "life of the mother" is a wrong metric.
It leaves the issue up to the states, as it was before Roe v. Wade. 22 states are expect to ban it outright with practically no exceptions the moment SCOTUS makes it ruling, with some planning provisions to criminalize those who go out of state to get an abortion while forbiding IUDs and morning after pills.
Don't underestimate the absolutely draconian extremes some of these state governments are willing to go to the moment they're able.
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That is absolutely not what I am saying. But
But your choice of words is interesting. Your post seems to indicate that you think it is killing a baby, which is the position of the anti-abortion side.
And don't forget, I am not opposed to abortion. I do think if you can't make a decision by 24 weeks (which is more than reasonable and longer than many other countries) , then you can put it up for adoption. (Life of the mother excepted.)
What I find interesting is that a majority of people think overturning RvW will outlaw abortions across the country. It does not.
I think this is an opportunity for the Dems if they don't squander it to change some statehouses in Red states.
It's okay to be morally opposed to abortion but still be pro choice. That is where I stand. They are not mutually exclusive. If abortions *have* to happen, they need to be safe and legal.
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From Canada we are watching what's happening in US .
We don't understand why there are people caring about life so much, even before birth -mollyc explained it very well-
but not doing anything to stop the killings happening so often, in schools, malls everywhere.
We feel for you
and hope someone will fix this nonsense
We don't understand why there are people caring about life so much, even before birth -mollyc explained it very well-
but not doing anything to stop the killings happening so often, in schools, malls everywhere.
We feel for you
and hope someone will fix this nonsense
Because half the states have trigger laws ready to go into effect if it’s overturned.
And let’s face it, does it really matter if states like TX are going to refuse to allow its citizens to leave the state so they can get an abortion elsewhere? Does it really matter if states like FL will
He wont care...until his daughter has a miscarriage and they come for her.
JayMysteri0
What the F?!!!
When the "hate big gov't & intrusion in our lives crowd" is in gov't, NOTHING is safe. Despite the obvious
https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1525874695186300930/
Because... the "I hate big gov't" crowd wants to use "big gov't" against sovereign land?
https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1525874695186300930/
Oklahoma governor warns tribes not to create abortion havens
Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt (R) on Sunday warned Native American tribes not to create abortion safe havens if Roe v. Wade is overturned and his state enacts a near-total ban on abortions. Stitt told …thehill.com
Because... the "I hate big gov't" crowd wants to use "big gov't" against sovereign land?
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20 years ago a black person married to a white supremacist activist probably would have made a pretty funny Chappelle Show skit, but in 2022 that's the reality of a supreme court justice and not funny in the slightest. And even more absurd, Thomas has somehow become the spokesperson for this shit, made even more ironic in his righteous fixation on the supreme court losing the respect of the American people. It's like taking a dump in somebody's living room and trying to convince people the anger should be aimed at the homeowners for calling you on it.
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If I have a thing, I should be able to sell it
truthout.org
Warren Calls Out Tech Firms for Selling Abortion Clinic Patients’ Location Data
Data firms were recently shown to be selling data on where clinic patients go after their visits and where they live.
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JayMysteri0
What the F?!!!
In case there's still the one soul out there pretending to NOT know what really motivates abortion discussion for one side.
https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1528047017771114502/
Along with the reminder of the "separation of Church & State", includes ALL Churches.
https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1527851396485332992/
https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1528047017771114502/
Along with the reminder of the "separation of Church & State", includes ALL Churches.
https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1527851396485332992/
JayMysteri0
What the F?!!!
Time for the facepalm borne from creepiness & faux shock
https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1533817703734968320/
https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1533802942708559873/
https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1533817703734968320/
https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1533802942708559873/
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When the crazy “People of Praise” cult was brought up, the Republicans screamed and cried that those asking questions were being mean to Amy because of her faith.
But they had no problem accusing Ketanji Brown Jackson of being a pedophile…
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Thank goodness they stopped this guy before he could commit violence:
apple.news
Man upset with Uvalde, leaked abortion ruling arrested outside Kavanaugh's home: FBI — ABC News
He allegedly had a gun, two magazines, pepper spray, zip ties and more on him.
apple.news
Meanwhile, he’s hard at work blocking legislation to protect little kids from being gunned down. Priorities.