Abortion is illegal in Texas

[Thomas Veil]

In the Supreme Court decision, I was surprised to see the Chief Justice side with the liberal Justices.

It wouldn't be the first time. He's not a completely hardline ideologue.

well that has not worked out for voting rights so I doubt this will work out either.

That's what I'm afraid of, that this is just a lot of tough talk.

Again, it's looking like we're being backed into a corner where Supreme Court expansion is the only option. If somebody has a better one, I'm all ears.

 

[SuperMatt]

If those were Republican initiatives when Trump was president McConnell would have had all those things done in two weeks.

They should take all money for West Virginia and Arizona out of the infrastructure bill unless Manchin and Sinema get on board. Take them off all committees. Let them know they have to get with the program or get out.

 

[User.45]

After protesting for years I never imagined we’d be back here, and yet here we are. The next few days will tell us everything we need to know about the federal government. I am both saddened and angry.

Hey, but at least they can open carry now, you know for the sanctity of life...

 

[Herdfan]

They should take all money for West Virginia and Arizona out of the infrastructure bill unless Manchin and Sinema get on board. Take them off all committees. Let them know they have to get with the program or get out.

Not sure about Sinema, but that won't work with Manchin. He will simply switch parties and put McConnell back in charge. Are you sure that is what you want?

And what ever happened to representing what your constituents want?

 

[SuperMatt]

Not sure about Sinema, but that won't work with Manchin. He will simply switch parties and put McConnell back in charge. Are you sure that is what you want?

And what ever happened to representing what your constituents want?

Democrats want voting rights and access to abortion. When they vote for a Democrat, they expect they will support that agenda.

Manchin and Sinema don’t seem to care what their voters want. They care what the rich donors and lobbyists want.

 

[Huntn]

One other thing I’ll note about this Supreme Court.

They WERE willing to issue a stay against Biden’s eviction moratorium so that landlords could start kicking people out on the street right away.

But issuing a stay against a state outlawing abortion? Nah.

And since I’m talking about Biden...

In 1991, Joe Biden Was Skeptical Clarence Thomas Would Be Extreme On Abortion

Abortion rights advocates warned senators that putting Thomas on the Supreme Court would be a disaster for women's rights. Biden was less convinced.

www.huffpost.com

Hmm, guess he was (somewhat) right about that. He voted against Clarence Thomas, though he underestimated how extreme he would be.



And he was right about getting out of Afghanistan a decade ago. He seems to be right a lot.

Biden is not perfect, he was not my preferred choice, but he is miles above Trump and any of the disreputable GOP leadership likely to run against him and possibly beat him in 2024. Primarily he is a sympathetic, competent head executive and more important an actual human being, not a cave troll who waits under bridges to eat children.

 

[User.45]

Not sure about Sinema, but that won't work with Manchin. He will simply switch parties and put McConnell back in charge. Are you sure that is what you want?

And what ever happened to representing what your constituents want?

Manchin's constituents interest was to pass the infrastructure bill. Just sayin', because his motivation does not seem to be representation of WVians interests.

You're right about Manchin switching parties, but that would backfire for him on all levels:
He might be very unpopular amongst Dems now, but that goes away in 2 years when he's no longer a tiebreaker. If he switches, that hatred would come with a lot of long-term animosity he might not want to deal with. He'd immediately lose the personal power he has now. So no, his role is to be the mole and that's not gonna change until at least the mid-terms.

 

[Joe]

 

[Thomas Veil]

One good vigilante turn deserves another…

TikTokers flood Texas abortion whistleblower site with Shrek memes, fake reports and porn

Critics of Texas’s new law have been filing hundreds of fake reports to the whistleblowing website in hopes of crashing it

www.theguardian.com

Pro-choice users on TikTok and Reddit have launched a guerrilla effort to thwart Texas’s extreme new abortion law, flooding an online tip website that encourages people to report violators of the law with false reports, Shrek memes, and porn.

 

[Alli]

And what ever happened to representing what your constituents want?

They choose which constituents to represent these days.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

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And what ever happened to representing what your constituents want?

They choose which constituents to represent these days.

In today's edition of the Guardian, Rebecca Solnit has an excellent piece on this very topic.

I take the liberty of quoting a few lines from it: "But like the attack on voting rights in Texas happening simultaneously with the attack on reproductive rights, it is of course about expanding liberty for some while withering it away for others. The attacks on reproductive rights seek to make women unfree and unequal; the attacks on voting rights seek to make people of color unfree and unequal; women of color get a double dose."

 

[quagmire]

They should take all money for West Virginia and Arizona out of the infrastructure bill unless Manchin and Sinema get on board. Take them off all committees. Let them know they have to get with the program or get out.

How is this attitude any different than the ones demanding loyalty to Trump?

On one hand we want Republicans to stand up to Trump. Then when the Dems are in charge, anyone that dares to get in the way of the party agenda should be kicked out.

This country will go no where with the current attitude of BOTH parties.

 

[SuperMatt]

In today's edition of the Guardian, Rebecca Solnit has an excellent piece on this very topic;

I take the liberty of quoting a few lines from it: "But like the attack on voting rights in Texas happening simultaneously with the attack on reproductive rights, it is of course about expanding liberty for some while withering it away for others. The attacks on reproductive rights seek to make women unfree and unequal; the attacks on voting rights seek to make people of color unfree and unequal; women of color get a double dose."

I like the take that it is expanding freedoms for some while diminishing them for others. Kind of like this ugly Venn diagram I just put together concerning “religious freedom” in America.

 

[SuperMatt]

How is this attitude any different than the ones demanding loyalty to Trump?

On one hand we want Republicans to stand up to Trump. Then when the Dems are in charge, anyone that dares to get in the way of the party agenda should be kicked out.

This country will go no where with the current attitude of BOTH parties.

The point is that the Republicans DID stick together, and got 3 SCOTUS judges and a huge tax cut for their billionaire donors. The Democrats on the other hand, have yet to do much to enact the agenda promised to their voters.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Knowing that they won't allow a rape victim to get an abortion makes me sick to my stomach.

 

[Huntn]

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Ironically, most of the good ole boys around here would not support this garb. They want to see the good stuff.

 

[User.45]

One good vigilante turn deserves another…

TikTokers flood Texas abortion whistleblower site with Shrek memes, fake reports and porn

Critics of Texas’s new law have been filing hundreds of fake reports to the whistleblowing website in hopes of crashing it

www.theguardian.com

The thing is, the “most anti communist “ state does shit that made communism so toxic: encouraged citizens to spy on and report on each other.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

When they see that minorities typically have more children than whites this will all get reversed lightning quick.

 

[Huntn]

National Public Radio- Science Friday talked about the Texas Heartbeat Bill:

• A 6 week fetus does not have a heart, nor a circulation system. (My view: this is what you get when religious fanaticism in charge, is devoid of science.) There are cells that send out electrical signals that mimic the sound of a heart.
• These signals do not guarantee viability of fetus.
• Preventing women from getting an abortion based on only this standard is reckless and endangers the health of the mother. Women have died based on the no abortion standard.
• My view: It’s especially bad because it encourages a vigilante environment, which apparently the Texas State government desires a return to the good ole bad days.

 

[SuperMatt]

National Public Radio- Science Friday talked about the Texas Heartbeat Bill:

• A 6 week fetus does not have a heart. (My view: this is what you get when religious fanaticism in charge, is devoid of science.) There are cells that send out electrical signals that mimic the sound of a heart.
• These signals do not guarantee viability of fetus.
• Preventing women from getting an abortion based on only this standard is reckless and endangers the health of the mother. Women have died based on the no abortion standard.
• My view: It’s especially bad because it encourages a vigilante environment, which apparently the Texas State government desires a return to the good ole bad days.

On point one - if somebody sues somebody who had an abortion when this electrical signal was detected, but the defendant successfully argues that signal is not an actual heartbeat at the trial, would that automatically push back the 6-week ban to an actual ban of when the fetus is formed and an actual heartbeat is detected?

Kind of weird that the law is based on a “fetal heartbeat” but 6 weeks is before the embryo even becomes a fetus. Seems like the whole thing would fall apart to doctor testimony in court.