Was it worth it?

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The SCOTUS has made it slightly harder to get a morning-after pill. Was the destruction of Democracy at the hands of Trump worth it, “pro-lifers”? Sadly, many of them probably think it was. Shame on them for oppressing others and supporting a fascist in the name of preserving life.

 

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😠 So the rationale here is, If you want an abortion pill, pick it up yourself because if you catch Covid while doing so, it’ll serve you right? Is that what they’re saying?
Exactly. The SCOTUS has decided recently that racism no longer exists, unlimited money in politics is not a problem, and that coronavirus isn’t dangerous. They really are in touch with reality, aren’t they?
 

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Exactly. The SCOTUS has decided recently that racism no longer exists, unlimited money in politics is not a problem, and that coronavirus isn’t dangerous. They really are in touch with reality, aren’t they?

Barret must have loved being able to sign onto that one.
 
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The SCOTUS has made it slightly harder to get a morning-after pill. Was the destruction of Democracy at the hands of Trump worth it, “pro-lifers”? Sadly, many of them probably think it was. Shame on them for oppressing others and supporting a fascist in the name of preserving life.

This isn't the morning after pill (Plan B is levonorgestrel) and this is about mifepristone. It makes little sense other than theatrics. Essentially, the OBGYNs argue that the pills can be mailed, and SCOTUS wants people to physically go to the pharmacy, stand in line, sign forms and other bullshit. The goal is shaming. In reality, bullshit like this is made up by men who have no fucking idea what a miscarriage is. These men can get fucked, and they'd better deliver it... (sorry, but this is the bane of my existence)

I can't stand this ideology. People can exhale deadly pathogens on others because freedom, but freedom doesn't apply here?! Also, I'd deeply sympathize with the conservative Christian viewpoint if these people would as vehemently fought for a social safety net, or environmental policy and sustainability so we can 1) not only deliver, but raise these unborn babies 2) so they aren't born into a fucked ecosystem. Without these, the goal of this """pro-life""" BS is just to perpetuate poverty.
 
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This isn't the morning after pill (Plan B is levonorgestrel) and this is about mifepristone. It makes little sense other than theatrics. Essentially, the OBGYNs argue that the pills can be mailed, and SCOTUS wants people to physically go to the pharmacy, stand in line, sign forms and other bullshit. The goal is shaming. In reality, bullshit like this is made up by men who have no fucking idea what a miscarriage is. These men can get fucked, and they'd better deliver it... (sorry, but this is the bane of my existence)

I can't stand this ideology. People can exhale deadly pathogens on others because freedom, but freedom doesn't apply here?! Also, I'd deeply sympathize with the conservative Christian viewpoint if these people would as vehemently fought for a social safety net, or environmental policy and sustainability so we can 1) not only deliver, but raise these unborn babies 2) so they aren't born into a fucked ecosystem. Without these, the goal this """"pro-life""" BS is just to perpetuate of poverty.
Thanks for clearing that up - I am obviously (am I allowed to use that word now?) not well-acquainted with medicine.

Imagine if SCOTUS decided men had to go in person to their doctor to get Viagra?
 

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This isn't the morning after pill (Plan B is levonorgestrel) and this is about mifepristone. It makes little sense other than theatrics. Essentially, the OBGYNs argue that the pills can be mailed, and SCOTUS wants people to physically go to the pharmacy, stand in line, sign forms and other bullshit. The goal is shaming. In reality, bullshit like this is made up by men who have no fucking idea what a miscarriage is. These men can get fucked, and they'd better deliver it... (sorry, but this is the bane of my existence)

I can't stand this ideology. People can exhale deadly pathogens on others because freedom, but freedom doesn't apply here?! Also, I'd deeply sympathize with the conservative Christian viewpoint if these people would as vehemently fought for a social safety net, or environmental policy and sustainability so we can 1) not only deliver, but raise these unborn babies 2) so they aren't born into a fucked ecosystem. Without these, the goal this """"pro-life""" BS is just to perpetuate of poverty.

And to punish (and yes, shame) and control women.

Especially women who aspire to economic independence, dare to dream of education, and hope to be able to have some sort of a sexual life without having to suffer unwanted consequences.
 
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Thanks for clearing that up - I am obviously (am I allowed to use that word now?) not well-acquainted with medicine.
No worries, I just wanted to clarify because this is medication induced abortion where the embryo gets flushed out with the uterine mucosa, whereas plan B induces menses to prevent the zygote's implantation to the uterine mucosa. (It's weird that I've largely haven't though about this since med school).

Imagine if SCOTUS decided men had to go in person to their doctor to get Viagra?
That's exactly like that. Dudes would have to go to a pharmacy and sign forms about understanding the risks of priapism (uncontrolled persistent erection) and the risks of viagra in the setting of ischemic heart disease.
 

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And to punish (and yes, shame) and control women.

Especially women who aspire to economic independence, dare to dream of education, and hope to be able to have some sort of a sexual life without having to suffer unwanted consequences.

Same thing as in the old Connecticut laws where you couldn't get birth control devices or prescriptions unless you were married. Flipping that law out on its ear over a right to marital privacy was what led to Roe v Wade... so now we're sliding backwards for sure.
 
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Biden, being an institutionalist, has said he doesn’t want to do that. However, I expect that more court decisions like this may force his hand. There will be pressure from the left wing, I’m sure.

Thomas' wife "took to Facebook to cheer both the 'Save America March' and the subsequent storming of the U.S. Capitol building.".
It’s always nice to know the wife of one of our Supreme Court justices is a supporter of sedition. 🤨
 

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Biden, being an institutionalist, has said he doesn’t want to do that. However, I expect that more court decisions like this may force his hand. There will be pressure from the left wing, I’m sure.
Not sure whether that decision is his or Congress'.
 

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And each of these steps involves a male...of course..

Of course, but the punitive nature of this vote, the desire to punish, shame, to control, comes from a world which seeks to roll back the idea that a woman can choose her partner (and can choose to reject her partner), and can choose when to - and when not to - have sex with that partner, without fear or consequence or judgment.
 
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Of course, but the punitive nature of this vote, the desire to punish, shame, to control, comes from a world which seeks to roll back the idea that a woman can choose (and can choose to reject) her partner, and can choose when to - and when not to - have sex with that partner, without fear or consequence or judgment.
My point is that men are unduly excluded from the shaming process...
 
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