Who did Christians hate today?

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This. The biggest reason I'm involved is because we went from a country with growing acceptance, to a drastic about face in the legislatures. The support people in my family need access to is suddenly under threat. No **** that's going to wake some folks up and get them moving. And as you point out, this is the thin wedge. For someone looking to curtail someone else's rights, it's easier to start with a vulnerable population. Especially if that population is not well known among the larger masses.

The Jewish population in Germany was less than 1% when they were made into the enemy. It surprises me very little that a small population winds up in the crosshairs here too.



I can't blame them. The prominent US researchers in this space not that long ago were pushing extremely paternalistic ideas at best, and they are still around making their case. And now we have motivated actors at play that want to amplify poor research and muddy the waters further to support a legislative agenda to curtail medical access they've already had (adversarial as it may be). I cannot blame them at all for not wanting to work with a medical system that's been their adversary for decades. I also cannot blame them for not being excited at the idea of being used in research that could very well be turned into fodder to deny them access to what they see as important care.

This wouldn't even be the only group with mistrust. African Americans and Native Americans both demonstrate mistrust due to how they have been treated in the past when it comes to the medical community. But generally these groups can avoid the community, despite the worse outcomes. The trans community is more entangled with the medical community, which makes things different, but I don't see why the dynamic is any different here, or why they must be a model minority in order to be afforded dignity.


There is so much that could be discussed in the topic of research quality, outside influences, integrity of some researchers, politics getting involved in science, etc.

I suspect there are some researchers I suspect who are motivated by anti-trans ideology, but there is the exact same thing by trans activists. Objective researchers don’t want to touch this topic. That’s a bad thing. We need research to understand how to best help people and predict outcomes and the body of evidence we have is not strong.

Certainly historically most the medical community has not been accepting or accommodating of trans people. But I think we’re very much at the opposite end of the spectrum where there are insufficient checkpoints in the system for something we don’t have sufficient long term data on. And research from the 70’s, positive or negative, isn’t necessarily relevant in 2024 given how differently transgenderism is manifesting today versus back then.

I have noticed a strong correlation between transgender young adults and borderline personality disorder. Granted I work in psych so things may be skewed. But if I wanted to conduct any sort of research into this it probably wouldn’t be possible because of political implications. The few papers discussing this are mainly from the Middle East.

It’s crazy to me you have states considering allowing medical intervention of minors without parental consent. Or calling for the end of requiring psych provider letters. Psych consults are standard for a number of interventions.

The medical community in many European countries have reeled in interventions for transgender children given the ahistorical exploding number minors identifying as trans (yet comparatively minor increases in the adult population) and the recognition of insufficient outcomes data. Basically medical interventions (drugs and/or surgery) are limited to those identifying as trans from a very young age.

I think this may be too restrictive, but we shall see. At the same time, I don’t believe we should be accepting the risk or threat of suicide as the justification for medical intervention as has been the case. It is accepted no where else in healthcare.

I think to some extent we’ve strayed too far from providing treatment for gender dysphoria to presenting gender as something consciously chosen rather than an inherent identity.

While it’s true racial minorities have been subjected to grievous unethical practices and systemic negligence, I think the problem is overstated in modern times. Psych patients and prisoners also were subjected to heinous mistreatment- and frankly still are mistreated today in many contexts.

In my experience, the discrimination I see in healthcare is against psych patients, drug addicts, and the poor. This is by far the most medically disenfranchised group in our country. I work at what’s considered one of the best psych hospitals I the county. I have so many horror stories from patients of abuse from other hospitals and providers.

All that said, Trans healthcare should not be the political issue that it has become. The medical, psychiatric, and research communities should be able to discuss the balance of responsible care without fear of backlash or political attack.
 

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this is so pathetic.
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SoCal pastor accused in murder-for-hire plot that targeted man dating his daughter​

 

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SoCal pastor accused in murder-for-hire plot that targeted man dating his daughter​


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I'm sure the "pastor" thought it was OK to kill someone if it's by proxy. I can imagine the phone conversation between his daughter and any prospective new suitors. "Yeah, I'm the one whose dad tried to have my former boyfriend murdered. Is that a problem? Hello... hello."

But I like the way the police officer described the intended victim as "churchgoing," as if that's a measure of anyone's worthiness for anything.
 

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I’m surprised the religious right allows Trump’s throat on TV without being blurred.

If we’re going to keep our kids safe from harmful images, then let’s get serious, ok?

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pretty pathetic playing the butt hurt Christin while not being a Cristian. worse lying about easter when you don even know what easter is about.
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This is so stupid I don't even know where to begin. He starts by saying Christians, by definition, act like Jesus because they're 'Like Christ'. Then goes on to say Autistic people basically aren't worthy of "compassion, kindness, feeling love, and self-worth". Not even for one week. How is that 'Like Christ'? My recollection is that Jesus was kinda well-known for his compassion and kindness. I can't imagine he'd tell someone on the spectrum to go kick rocks. My guess is that he'd be more inclined to heal someone like that, but I'm not pastor, so what do I know? :rolleyes:

The mental gymnastics to get from A to B on this is like an M.C. Escher painting. I wonder who should be shown "compassing, kindness, feeling love, and self-worth"? I would have thought all that fell under the umbrella of "Love your neighbor". I don't recall any specific instructions on which neighbors should be loved and which shouldn't, but I've not been to church in a while. Maybe there's a updated version of the Bible that I'm not aware of. 🤷‍♂️
 

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The mental gymnastics to get from A to B on this is like an M.C. Escher painting. I wonder who should be shown "compassing, kindness, feeling love, and self-worth"? I would have thought all that fell under the umbrella of "Love your neighbor". I don't recall any specific instructions on which neighbors should be loved and which shouldn't, but I've not been to church in a while. Maybe there's a updated version of the Bible that I'm not aware of. 🤷‍♂️
its not love your neighbor its love your white normal christian who believes in god like you do and no one else.
 

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its not love your neighbor its love your white normal christian who believes in god like you do and no one else.
Right, but also the same way you do. Just try getting the denominations together is asking for a world of hurt.

For the record, southern baptists scare the crap out of me. Also, evangelicals. And the folks who dance with snakes. And do voices. Or mega-churches. Really, all of them.
 

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I am a bit disappointed today. Pope Francis seemed to reach out to Trans people and even said "Who am I to judge." when he was criticized for meeting with a Transgender person. This goes against everything he has done to mend the bridge between Trans people and Faith.

 

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I am a bit disappointed today. Pope Francis seemed to reach out to Trans people and even said "Who am I to judge." when he was criticized for meeting with a Transgender person. This goes against everything he has done to mend the bridge between Trans people and Faith.


What does God say about being the head of a criminal enterprise and holding vast amounts of wealth while your missionaries teach people to remain poor. And not use birth control, because that defies God too.

No disrespect to catholics, but the pope should be disregarded just as much as anyone else. He doesn't have Jesus on speed dial anymore than you or I.
 

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What does God say about being the head of a criminal enterprise and holding vast amounts of wealth while your missionaries teach people to remain poor. And not use birth control, because that defies God too.

No disrespect to catholics, but the pope should be disregarded just as much as anyone else. He doesn't have Jesus on speed dial anymore than you or I.

While I am no fan of organized religion, and I agree with the points that the Pope doesn't have a direct line to God. I do feel that he was a more liberal Pope than some of the past. He was trying to change some of the catholic culture knowing full well there would be some resistance. As the head of the Catholic Church I applauded his seemingly new attitude toward the LGBTQ+ community, but this about face has me feeling like I fell for some gag.
 
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