Millions will be dangerously shocked when Biden gets sworn in

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It’s 70m who voted for Mr Facist, Wanna Be Dictator, Snowflake. When you accept wholesale corruption in your leadership who feeds your inner racist and breaks the rules for perceived self advantage, or plumping up your wallet, what it means is you don’t give a shit about Democracy or the freaking Constituion. :mad:
I like to hope a good percentage of those people who voted for Trump voted less for Trump and more against Socialism which their news and social media has told them is the entire left. Not even going to get into what they define as Socialism.

Heard a good quote on the movie Mank which I don’t know if it is a known quote or written for the movie. The difference between Socialism and Communism is with Socialism everybody shares the wealth and with Communism everybody shares the poverty. I think that’s a clear explanation for people who don’t know the difference or think they are the same thing.
 

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If they bought Fox News, nothing would change. Murdoch would get even richer. Then he'd create a new network, and all the talking heads would go with him. In two months, you'd be back to square one.

The root of the problem is not the existence of Fox News itself, it's the demand for it, and obsolete laws that apparently allow to call for civil unrest and sedition as long as it's in the name of freedom of speech.
Things like Parler and NewsMax aren’t that successful. It takes a long time to build up a brand like Fox News... and although many of the angry folks say “Fox News sucks” now - we know they are lying and will go back to it right away. If they slowly push their content towards reality over a period of time, the effects could be that right-wingers get back in touch with reality again.

I have actually seen some right-wing forums where there is a growing call for civil war. Perhaps that is what inspired this gem from Tom the Dancing Bug today:

https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1339296832925687811/
 

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I agree with you, but the wacko right wing won't like it.

They might like the jobs though. Both parties realize infrastructure repair is worth funding not only to keep from scandals like bridges dropping a load of cars or trucks into the water, but a good way to get some blue collar jobs off the ground.

I don't see how it can be more "outrageous" to have Buttigieg as chief of DoT when Elaine Chao and MItch McConnell were together treating that agency like a family business for the benefit of Kentucky... and Trump chimed in to fire an acting Inspector General, substitute a pre-vetted nominee for a permanent one awaiting Senate confirmation, and meanwhile installed a vetted political loyalist as interim acting IG -- all of that just to derail an investigation of exactly what was going on there. The acting IG he picked is also head of a pipeline and hazardous materials sub-agency of DoT so he gets to investigate, or not, anything going on in that corner too.

There's no bottom to the grifting and grafting in the outgoing administration... good luck to all the new guys trying to find out what's what in all the agencies really.

We've got to get rid of the poisonous extreme right wing media. I don't know how we go about it, and yes I'm fully aware of the free speech implications involved. But all I know is doing nothing is worse. Nothing is what we've been doing for forty years, and doing nothing is obviously failing.
And we can all thank Bill Clinton for deregulating that industry to make this possible.

And ongoing bipartisan failure to address conglomeration properly. It's absurd that Sinclair, which is majority-held by the four sons of the late ultra conservative Julian Sinclair Smith, can propagandize 40% of the country pretty much at will just by buying up one TV station after another... and so concentrate the impact of Murdoch's Fox outlet.

All the free speech you can buy is what it comes down to, and not particularly fettered by the FCC. Obviously that agency is in bed with the oligarchs, and the antitrust corner of the DoJ is snoozing too, or we would not be in the position now in the USA that we are in, where six behemoths control 90% of the media.
 

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Things like Parler and NewsMax aren’t that successful. It takes a long time to build up a brand like Fox News... and although many of the angry folks say “Fox News sucks” now - we know they are lying and will go back to it right away. If they slowly push their content towards reality over a period of time, the effects could be that right-wingers get back in touch with reality again.

I have actually seen some right-wing forums where there is a growing call for civil war. Perhaps that is what inspired this gem from Tom the Dancing Bug today:

https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1339296832925687811/
These people are sick.
 

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Some fresh crazy to go with this...

https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1339194635919486976/




Now, I'm curious after all that, what possibly made the man an "ex-captain"?



Oh.

I live in Houston. I googled this guy and I swear I've seen him before. I think its the same guy I've seen driving a car plastered with right wing bumper stickers and such. When I say plastered with bumper stickers I mean like the entire back of his car is full of stickers. It looks stupid and ridiculous. I remember telling someone to watch for that guy. He is someone that is gonna go off one day.
 

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Things like Parler and NewsMax aren’t that successful. It takes a long time to build up a brand like Fox News... and although many of the angry folks say “Fox News sucks” now - we know they are lying and will go back to it right away. If they slowly push their content towards reality over a period of time, the effects could be that right-wingers get back in touch with reality again.
People get attached to news anchors. Poach Hannity, Ingraham, Carlson and a few others and you'll get your network up and running in weeks. It's also a zero sum game for the attention of the right wing populace. If Fox news disappeared some other outlet would fill the void and flourish.

Parler isn't successful because Trump hasn't switched yet. As soon as Twitter bans him (Jan 20?) he'll ask for money in exchange for joining them, announce it on Fox news, and his whole cult will follow him. Like it or not, he's created a brand. A brand of idiocy, but a brand nonetheless.
 
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They might like the jobs though. Both parties realize infrastructure repair is worth funding not only to keep from scandals like bridges dropping a load of cars or trucks into the water, but a good way to get some blue collar jobs off the ground.

I don't see how it can be more "outrageous" to have Buttigieg as chief of DoT when Elaine Chao and MItch McConnell were together treating that agency like a family business for the benefit of Kentucky... and Trump chimed in to fire an acting Inspector General, substitute a pre-vetted nominee for a permanent one awaiting Senate confirmation, and meanwhile installed a vetted political loyalist as interim acting IG -- all of that just to derail an investigation of exactly what was going on there. The acting IG he picked is also head of a pipeline and hazardous materials sub-agency of DoT so he gets to investigate, or not, anything going on in that corner too.

There's no bottom to the grifting and grafting in the outgoing administration... good luck to all the new guys trying to find out what's what in all the agencies really.




And ongoing bipartisan failure to address conglomeration properly. It's absurd that Sinclair, which is majority-held by the four sons of the late ultra conservative Julian Sinclair Smith, can propagandize 40% of the country pretty much at will just by buying up one TV station after another... and so concentrate the impact of Murdoch's Fox outlet.

All the free speech you can buy is what it comes down to, and not particularly fettered by the FCC. Obviously that agency is in bed with the oligarchs, and the antitrust corner of the DoJ is snoozing too, or we would not be in the position now in the USA that we are in, where six behemoths control 90% of the media.
But Chao and MConnell are "good Christians". That's all that matters to these fools. We all really need to understand that.
 

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The podcast in question: fsilencepodcast.com (Episode 78)

It might take a few weeks or months to see the real weirdos plan and act out their martyrdom after Jan. 20, but it's going to be ugly.

I’m taking a break from his podcasts for a bit while I listen to the relative sunny podcast that is the Real Dictators podcast, the life history of the world’s most famous dictators. The one thing they all seem to have in common is serious daddy issues. It's unfortunate for Trump that he was born in the wrong country.
 

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I've seen so many people that were normal 5 years ago so radicalized for Trump now. I just don't get it.
 

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I live in Houston. I googled this guy and I swear I've seen him before. I think its the same guy I've seen driving a car plastered with right wing bumper stickers and such. When I say plastered with bumper stickers I mean like the entire back of his car is full of stickers. It looks stupid and ridiculous. I remember telling someone to watch for that guy. He is someone that is gonna go off one day.

I live in the ultra liberal Bay Area. We used to have a Trump supporting customer come in the office and just start randomly praising Trump and demonizing the usual. And I mean random, like he was in a bar in the south. There was no topic being discussed that opened the door to a discussion about Trump and politics. He’d just go into it. It was mind boggling living where we live that he thought he could just rifle off these opinions and think anybody would actually agree or want to hear it.

He drove a car with 3 Trump bumper stickers and given the condition of that car, like he rescued it from the jaws of a scrap yard car crusher at the last second, and his personal appearance it would be safe to say poor life decisions shaped his world long before Trump came into the picture and nothing Trump could do was going to change that. This guy became my poster child for how I view a lot of Trump as savior supporters, completely blind to their own decision making shaping their reality and feeling they deserve something a lot better simply for being born on US soil. They think the randomness of where they were lucky enough to be born alone makes them a 5 star patriot.
 

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I think for a lot of these people all they needed was somebody in power to validate their conspiracy theories to go all in and be quite public about it. It was like they were Manchurian Candidates triggered into stupid.

I think now of a woman who when I first moved up here was in her late teens. She was apolitical in the sense of any expressed interest in national politics, but would readily volunteer her beliefs back then in assorted conspiracy theories, mostly about the American moon landings and also the alleged Roswell UFO incident.

When the latter was totally debunked by the US having released info in 1990 about Project Mogul, she dismissed that as an elaborate coverup attempt, and she insisted the moon landings were all filmed in Arizona.

Lo and behold when Trump turned up as the GOP nominee in 2016, she suddenly became an advocate for his election. She said he'd find out for sure what the deep state was up to all this time pulling the wool over our eyes. She didn't have a clue what his trade or any other policies were. I asked where she heard about "the deep state" --which I'd never heard her mention before 2016-- and she said well it was obvious "that whole thing" had been part of "their plot" all along, and that it just it took someone brave like Trump to dare to shine a light on it.

She had a four year college degree from downstate at a decent SUNY school. No clue how she acquired her ever more exotic belief system, but if she unloaded it on you during a social event hereabouts in the community on some occasion, it was pretty startling... no matter what other people's right or left political orientation might be.

Even some other mildly pro-Trump Rs I knew back then were startled at her conversion to Trump-advocacy politics, I think. They were into his column in 2016 on deregulation and conservative court picks, but she just seemed to have taken a turn off the road towards wacko.

I have no sense of what she's like now, but wonder if, and how, people who became fervid fans of Trump out of the blue like that are going to switch it off when he exits the "mainstream" politics that he managed to hijack.
 

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I think now of a woman who when I first moved up here was in her late teens. She was apolitical in the sense of any expressed interest in national politics, but would readily volunteer her beliefs back then in assorted conspiracy theories, mostly about the American moon landings and also the alleged Roswell UFO incident.

When the latter was totally debunked by the US having released info in 1990 about Project Mogul, she dismissed that as an elaborate coverup attempt, and she insisted the moon landings were all filmed in Arizona.

Lo and behold when Trump turned up as the GOP nominee in 2016, she suddenly became an advocate for his election. She said he'd find out for sure what the deep state was up to all this time pulling the wool over our eyes. She didn't have a clue what his trade or any other policies were. I asked where she heard about "the deep state" --which I'd never heard her mention before 2016-- and she said well it was obvious "that whole thing" had been part of "their plot" all along, and that it just it took someone brave like Trump to dare to shine a light on it.

She had a four year college degree from downstate at a decent SUNY school. No clue how she acquired her ever more exotic belief system, but if she unloaded it on you during a social event hereabouts in the community on some occasion, it was pretty startling... no matter what other people's right or left political orientation might be.

Even some other mildly pro-Trump Rs I knew back then were startled at her conversion to Trump-advocacy politics, I think. They were into his column in 2016 on deregulation and conservative court picks, but she just seemed to have taken a turn off the road towards wacko.

I have no sense of what she's like now, but wonder if, and how, people who became fervid fans of Trump out of the blue like that are going to switch it off when he exits the "mainstream" politics that he managed to hijack.

We have to remember that for a lot of these people if they were standing in front of a high security mansion with a ghetto at their back and a voice came over the security com saying "I'm flat broke. If you're looking for money there's plenty in those buildings behind you." they would go "Makes sense. Thanks!" and then descend on the ghetto.

There is a deep state but it's far from hidden or what they think it is. It's called lobbyists and they are out in the open easy to find and track their influence. But, again, if they met one who said "I don't control the government but there's a pizza parlor with a basement you might want to investigate." they'd go "Makes sense. Thanks!" and plan a civilian black ops pizza party.
 

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Well I read Dean and Altemeyer's book on authoritarian followers just to try to figure out where some of Trump's advocates were coming from... I mean the ones who were not pretty clearly just for him because he was not the Democrat and so would presumably (!?) oversee conservative R kinds of policies once in office.

I confess I still don't really get it. To me there's a detachment from reality in Trump fans that seems to transcend just "authoritarian following" characteristics, although that does happen with cults attached to personalities. But these folks or a lot of them anyway have enough money to travel around to his rallies and stuff, they use social media, etc, so don't really seem isolated enough physically or socially to have left big chunks of USA's realities behind.

Bottom line, I remain puzzled by the levels of denial going on here, including the vote counts. Sometimes I feel like it's play acting, just not wanting the highly entertaining "in your eye, libtards!" Trump Show's last episode to air.
 

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Well I read Dean and Altemeyer's book on authoritarian followers just to try to figure out where some of Trump's advocates were coming from... I mean the ones who were not pretty clearly just for him because he was not the Democrat and so would presumably (!?) oversee conservative R kinds of policies once in office.

I confess I still don't really get it. To me there's a detachment from reality in Trump fans that seems to transcend just "authoritarian following" characteristics, although that does happen with cults attached to personalities. But these folks or a lot of them anyway have enough money to travel around to his rallies and stuff, they use social media, etc, so don't really seem isolated enough physically or socially to have left big chunks of USA's realities behind.

Bottom line, I remain puzzled by the levels of denial going on here, including the vote counts. Sometimes I feel like it's play acting, just not wanting the highly entertaining "in your eye, libtards!" Trump Show's last episode to air.
I honestly believe there is a lot of undiagnosed mental illness going on here, and worse, Trump is feeding it as not being out of touch with reality.

I also think we are under estimating the power of his rallies. I'd compare it to going to a concert of a band you love and as a result feel you achieved a personal connection or stake in that band. I think it's normal but not rational. When they win ward you feel you are part of making that happen. When you hear their song or see them on TV around other people you feel the need to tell other people how you were at their concert at some point. When they are being attacked you feel they are being misunderstood. Now graft that on to the President of the US where his entire concert was telling you how awesome you are and anybody who disagrees with him or you is your enemy.
 

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I honestly believe there is a lot of undiagnosed mental illness going on here, and worse, Trump is feeding it as not being out of touch with reality.

I also think we are under estimating the power of his rallies. I'd compare it to going to a concert of a band you love and as a result feel you achieved a personal connection or stake in that band. I think it's normal but not rational. When they win ward you feel you are part of making that happen. When you hear their song or see them on TV around other people you feel the need to tell other people how you were at their concert at some point. When they are being attacked you feel they are being misunderstood. Now graft that on to the President of the US where his entire concert was telling you how awesome you are and anybody who disagrees with him or you is your enemy.
Agreed.


 

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